[Shop-talk] camry hybrids

[Paul Parkanzky]

I have to agree that the modern Toyotas have pretty terrible seats and are
incredibly numb to drive.  And that's comparing it to our '09 TDI Jetta and
'10 TDI Golf.  For the record, I don't like the seats in the Jetta nearly as
well as in the Golf, but they're still better than the Toyotas I've driven.

-Paul

On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com> wrote:

> On 1/29/2013 9:11 AM, John Miller wrote:
>>> Apples and oranges.  Your M5 is a car with an MRSP of over $80K.
>> 70k E39, and that has nothing to do with it.
>
> Oh, yes, it does, because that's your standard for comparison (what year?-a
2007 is $82K).  $70K is still about double the cost of the cars to which
you're making a judgment.
>>    I just dragged home a freebie '86 Celica beater that has better seats,
better material quality, and better outward visibility than any present
Toyota.
>
> And, your `86 Celica gets about 22-24 mpg overall.  Don't kid a kidder--I
was a Toyota factory-trained, master line mechanic in the `80s.  I know the
technology of that time.
>
> Good cars for the age, but, don't bullshit me.
>
>
> Cheers.
>
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> Michael Porter
> Roswell, NM