[Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

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Sun Nov 15 15:48:07 MST 2020 

Hi Barrie,
   You are spot-on about new washing machines.  My sister has had three expensive washers in ten years, each beyond economical repair when it failed. By contrast, my Maytag is now more than 30 years old.  They once advertised that the loneliest man in town was the Maytag repair man. Not any longer....
   Two or three years ago I took my erratic alternator to a shop that many in the CT MG Club regard highly.  With sadness, the proprietor recommended a new unit that he said was not great, but that its cost would be less than his repairing the old one with second-rate parts now available. 
   Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparently there are no motors to be had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, another Electrolux. Shop owner was son of the shop founder. He advised to not expect 45 years of service from the new one.  Some might say that sucks.
Bob


> On Nov 15, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Barrie Robinson <barrob at bell.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello folks,
> 
> I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new MG TD.   I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on my current 'in progress' chariot.    I am not sure 'new' things these days are as  good as 'old' ones  When I took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I should buy a new one from them or recondition the old one.  The bloke took me into the back repair area and said 'Look'.  It was filed with new machines and no old ones.  He said my 30 year old reconditioned washer would last another 30 years but a new one would expire pretty soon after its 2 year warranty.  Remembering that our  'top of the line' German dish washer has had two service calls in its two years I went with reconditioning.   A local bod, who does nothing else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick starter and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with a total bill of C$150.    So I will always go with bods that do 'refurbishing' provided they are a well established shop.   Using 'on line' outfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.
> 
> Now back to the program !
> 
> Cheers
> Barrie
> 
>> On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, h.duinhoven at planet.nl wrote:
>>  
>> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking = 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that’s a good value.
>> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
>> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>> 
>> Now there is a discussion:
>> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
>> High torque starter = € 325,00, which is pricy
>> Original starter on exchange base = € 200,00
>> New starter Powerlite = € 239,00
>> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) = € 135,00
>>  
>> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
>>  
>> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
>>  
>> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>> They did a good job.
>> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better – a new one (Angloparts = € 152 or € 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired…
>>  
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>>  
>> Van: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> 
>> Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
>> Aan: h.duinhoven at planet.nl
>> CC: 'mglist' <mgs at autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>>  
>> Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cranking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
>>  
>> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the problem.
>>  
>> PaulH.
>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>  
>> Next job is the slow starter motor.
>> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis cable.
>> Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
>> Nothing helped so far.
>> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the engine.
>> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is logical.
>> Nice winter job.
>>  
>> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces at autox.team.net> Namens Dan DiBiase
>> Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
>> Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com>
>> CC: mglist <mgs at autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb at yahoogroups.com>
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>>  
>> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................
>>  
>> Dan D
>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>>  
>>  
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.
>>  
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). 
>>  
>> I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.
>>  
>> Thx, 
>>  
>> Dan D
>> '76B-  Getting There
>> '65B - Waiting It's Turn
>> Central NJ USA
>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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