[Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 145, Issue 12
Harlan Jillson
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Wed Jun 19 15:13:05 MDT 2019
I believe the “not intended for passenger cars” is because of the added friction reducers, which play havoc with catalytic converters.
Harlan
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> From: Charley Robinson <Charley38 at twc.com>
> To: Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net>, MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
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> VR1 contains an additive package. I would hope there's a detergent in
> it, because it's what I'm using.
> ? Viz: https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq
>
> CR
>
>> On 6/17/2019 5:06 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>>
>> Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil is one (although it may be non-optimal for
>> other reasons, such as lack of detergent)
>> Mobil1 Synthetic 15W50 (this weight ONLY in this brand)
>> Certain weights from Kendall, Royal Purple, Gibbs
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB
>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Bert Palte via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net
>>> <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, also over here in Europe it has become less easily available.
>>> If nothing else is available, 10W40 will do.
>>> I use mineral oil. That is good enough, our cars aren't high tech!
>>>
>>> Bert
>>> 70 B
>>> SA4BRL
>>> PA0LPS
>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>> On 2019-06-17, 23:19 dave via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net
>>> <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I?ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years
>>> now, and it used to be immediately available from Amazon with
>>> free shipping.? It has zddp.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now its 1 to 2 months.
>>>
>>>
>>> However ? Advanced Auto Parts
>>> -https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic
>>>
>>>
>>> free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.?
>>> You can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it?s a 6 pack),
>>> and it?s a couple pennies cheaper!!!
>>>
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> From: Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net>
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> Quote from the first paragraph of the FAQ:
>
> The Valvoline VR1 Racing and other racing oils <https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/motor-oil> not intended for passenger vehicles contain additional additives for increased horsepower and reduced friction on metal parts, provide extra wear protection for high compression/higher horsepower engines, and include fewer detergents than regular conventional motor oils.
>
> So, that answers that question. If you change your oil frequently, it probably isn?t a problem, though.
>
> I have used racing oil in the transmission, however, because reduced friction and wear protection are relevant concepts, and detergent is pointless (since no combustion blow-by).
>
>
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
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>
>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38 at twc.com> wrote:
>>
>> VR1 contains an additive package. I would hope there's a detergent in it, because it's what I'm using.
>> Viz: https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq <https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq>
>>
>> CR
>>
>>> On 6/17/2019 5:06 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>>>
>>> Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil is one (although it may be non-optimal for other reasons, such as lack of detergent)
>>> Mobil1 Synthetic 15W50 (this weight ONLY in this brand)
>>> Certain weights from Kendall, Royal Purple, Gibbs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Max Heim
>>> '66 MGB
>>>
>>>> On Jun 17, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Bert Palte via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, also over here in Europe it has become less easily available.
>>>> If nothing else is available, 10W40 will do.
>>>> I use mineral oil. That is good enough, our cars aren't high tech!
>>>>
>>>> Bert
>>>> 70 B
>>>> SA4BRL
>>>> PA0LPS
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>> On 2019-06-17, 23:19 dave via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>> I?ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, and it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free shipping. It has zddp.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now its 1 to 2 months.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> However ? Advanced Auto Parts - https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic <https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts. You can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it?s a 6 pack), and it?s a couple pennies cheaper!!!
>>>>
>>>>
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> From: Charley Robinson <Charley38 at twc.com>
> To: Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net>, MG List <mgs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] oil
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> Okay but you said "lack of detergents" and to me that says no detergents
> because it's the most common usage of the word.
>
> CR
>
>> On 6/19/2019 11:27 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>> Quote from the first paragraph of the FAQ:
>>
>> The Valvoline VR1 Racing and other racing oils
>> <https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/motor-oil>?not intended for
>> passenger vehicles contain additional additives for increased
>> horsepower and reduced friction on metal parts, provide extra wear
>> protection for high compression/higher horsepower engines, and include
>> _fewer detergents_ than regular conventional motor oils.
>>
>> So, that answers that question. If you change your oil frequently, it
>> probably isn?t a problem, though.
>>
>> I have used racing oil in the transmission, however, because reduced
>> friction and wear protection are relevant concepts, and detergent is
>> pointless (since no combustion blow-by).
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38 at twc.com
>>> <mailto:Charley38 at twc.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> VR1 contains an additive package. I would hope there's a detergent in
>>> it, because it's what I'm using.
>>> ? Viz: https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq
>>>
>>> CR
>>>
>>>> On 6/17/2019 5:06 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil is one (although it may be non-optimal for
>>>> other reasons, such as lack of detergent)
>>>> Mobil1 Synthetic 15W50 (this weight ONLY in this brand)
>>>> Certain weights from Kendall, Royal Purple, Gibbs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Max Heim
>>>> '66 MGB
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Bert Palte via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net
>>>>> <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, also over here in Europe it has become less easily available.
>>>>> If nothing else is available, 10W40 will do.
>>>>> I use mineral oil. That is good enough, our cars aren't high tech!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bert
>>>>> 70 B
>>>>> SA4BRL
>>>>> PA0LPS
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>>> On 2019-06-17, 23:19 dave via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net
>>>>> <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I?ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several
>>>>> years now, and it used to be immediately available from Amazon
>>>>> with free shipping.? It has zddp.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now its 1 to 2 months.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> However ? Advanced Auto Parts
>>>>> -https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.?
>>>>> You can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it?s a 6
>>>>> pack), and it?s a couple pennies cheaper!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________Mgs at autox.team.net
>>>>> <mailto:Mgs at autox.team.net>Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.htmlSuggested
>>>>> annual donation $12.75
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> From: Max Heim <mvheim at sonic.net>
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> I don't want to quibble, but I think ?less than expected? or ?insufficient? are also perfectly valid meanings. If I lack money to pay my bills, that doesn?t mean I have absolutely zero money to my name. I just don't have enough.
>
> I would say that the ?not intended for passenger vehicles? part of the quote justifies my ?insufficient? assumption. What else could it be referring to? ?Too much? anti-friction or anti-wear? Hardly.
>
> Again, I wasn?t actually criiticizing the idea of using this oil. Lower level of detergent isn?t an engine-killer, if you change the oil regularly. I just know that a lot of people drive their vintage cars infrequently and irregularly, and may not change the oil all that often, so I would hesitate to recommend it as the first option, since there are other alternatives available.
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38 at twc.com> wrote:
>>
>> Okay but you said "lack of detergents" and to me that says no detergents because it's the most common usage of the word.
>>
>> CR
>>
>>> On 6/19/2019 11:27 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>>> Quote from the first paragraph of the FAQ:
>>>
>>> The Valvoline VR1 Racing and other racing oils <https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/motor-oil> not intended for passenger vehicles contain additional additives for increased horsepower and reduced friction on metal parts, provide extra wear protection for high compression/higher horsepower engines, and include fewer detergents than regular conventional motor oils.
>>>
>>> So, that answers that question. If you change your oil frequently, it probably isn?t a problem, though.
>>>
>>> I have used racing oil in the transmission, however, because reduced friction and wear protection are relevant concepts, and detergent is pointless (since no combustion blow-by).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Max Heim
>>> '66 MGB
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38 at twc.com <mailto:Charley38 at twc.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> VR1 contains an additive package. I would hope there's a detergent in it, because it's what I'm using.
>>>> Viz: https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq <https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq>
>>>>
>>>> CR
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/17/2019 5:06 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil is one (although it may be non-optimal for other reasons, such as lack of detergent)
>>>>> Mobil1 Synthetic 15W50 (this weight ONLY in this brand)
>>>>> Certain weights from Kendall, Royal Purple, Gibbs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Max Heim
>>>>> '66 MGB
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Bert Palte via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, also over here in Europe it has become less easily available.
>>>>>> If nothing else is available, 10W40 will do.
>>>>>> I use mineral oil. That is good enough, our cars aren't high tech!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bert
>>>>>> 70 B
>>>>>> SA4BRL
>>>>>> PA0LPS
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>>>> On 2019-06-17, 23:19 dave via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net <mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> I?ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, and it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free shipping. It has zddp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now its 1 to 2 months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However ? Advanced Auto Parts - https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic <https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts. You can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it?s a 6 pack), and it?s a couple pennies cheaper!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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