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    Okay but you said "lack of detergents" and to me that says no
    detergents because it's the most common usage of the word.<br class="">
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/19/2019 11:27 AM, Max Heim via Mgs
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          VR1 Racing and other </span><a id="lnkRacingOils" href="https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/motor-oil" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;
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          contain additional additives for increased horsepower and
          reduced friction on metal parts, provide extra wear protection
          for high compression/higher horsepower engines, and include <u class="">fewer detergents</u> than regular conventional
          motor oils.</span></div>
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      <div class="">So, that answers that question. If you change your
        oil frequently, it probably isn’t a problem, though.</div>
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      <div class="">I have used racing oil in the transmission, however,
        because reduced friction and wear protection are relevant
        concepts, and detergent is pointless (since no combustion
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            <div class="">On Jun 19, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Charley Robinson
              <<a href="mailto:Charley38@twc.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">Charley38@twc.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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                contains an additive package. I would hope there's a
                detergent in it, because it's what I'm using. <br class="">
                  Viz: <a href="https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq</a><br class="">
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/17/2019 5:06 PM, Max
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                  <div class="">Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil is one
                    (although it may be non-optimal for other reasons,
                    such as lack of detergent)</div>
                  <div class="">Mobil1 Synthetic 15W50 (this weight ONLY
                    in this brand)</div>
                  <div class="">Certain weights from Kendall, Royal
                    Purple, Gibbs<br class="">
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                          <div class="">On Jun 17, 2019, at 2:47 PM,
                            Bert Palte via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>
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                              line-height: 1; padding: 0.5em;">Yes, also
                              over here in Europe it has become less
                              easily available.<br class="">
                              If nothing else is available, 10W40 will
                              do.<br class="">
                              I use mineral oil. That is good enough,
                              our cars aren't high tech!<br class="">
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                              Bert<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                              70 B<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                              SA4BRL<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                              PA0LPS<br class="">
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                              Please excuse my brevity.</div>
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                              2019-06-17, 23:19 dave via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
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                              wrote:
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                                    been using Valvoline 20w 50 full
                                    synthetic for several years now, and
                                    it used to be immediately available
                                    from Amazon with free shipping.  It
                                    has zddp.</div>
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                                    – Advanced Auto Parts -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);
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                                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                                    shipping with a minimum order of
                                    $25, which is 3 quarts.  You can buy
                                    it any number of quarts (from Amazon
                                    it’s a 6 pack), and it’s a couple
                                    pennies cheaper!!!</div>
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