[Mgs] [MG-MGB] MGB leaf springs

Wed Jan 11 06:28:56 MST 2017

Paul,
Good to read your comprehensive comment. I had changed the springs on my 70 B about 15 years ago. They were from Victoria British in the States. I put sand bags in the boot to try and get the height down. It was up a full 2 inches above normal. It settle in at 1 inch above and had always look to high. Last year I replaced them with Moss springs at the request of my friend and MG motor mechanic. The level of the car immediately dropped to the proper height. So much so that for the first time it started to ground out over slight bumps. I have since sold the car but the new owner did comment that the car level looked more appropriate then it did the previous time he had seen it as he was a frequent attendee of our shows.
Consensus was there was a bad/incorrect batch of springs sold around that Orion of time. Kinda like the bad rotors from Mexico a few years back.
Jim
74.5 BGT
58 Magnette

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On Jan 11, 2017, at 4:22 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net<mailto:mgs at autox.team.net>> wrote:

I've replaced front and rear springs on both cars at various times.

On the counter the new front ones were nearly 1/2" longer than the stated free height in the manuals, and had different heights!  I asked nicely and the counter chap did select two the same height for me, but said 'it won't make any difference'.  Incidentally on removal the old springs - given the amount of crusty corrosion almost certainly original with 30 years and 150k on them were also slightly longer than the spec free height.  Despite only tightening the A-arm pivots once the full weight of the car was on the suspension (!) here was 1/2" difference between the sides (none before) and the measured height was 1.5" and 2" higher than before, and looked ridiculous.  They settled about 1/2" after going over several of our local sleeping policemen, but even after 2 years of use were still about 1/2" higher than they should be for a CB roadster.  Ideally with normal loading the A-arms should be parallel to the road surface.

As you say some years ago there were very many complaints about rears being too high, either from over-arching or from simply being too hard.  So much so that they would not compress enough in a fully-equipped car to get the rear rebound straps fastened without significant extra weight in the boot.   Originally from America (complaints) but then in the UK as well.  Given the size of so many people today I have wondered if it was deliberate, given that the factory only allowed 150lb/11 stone per occupant!

I've not had that problem in the UK despite three sets at various times on two cars, in fact I've had to extend the CB roadster shackles by 1.25" to control the bottoming and grounding when touring fully laden.  Even so, there is still a curve in the rebound straps with no load in the car.  The V8 is an RB so higher ride-height anyway, and harder springs so I didn't have that problem, but again I still have a curve in the rebound straps unladen.

For some years springs were in short supply when the main British manufacturer stopped production.  Currently CB Springs in the UK (http://www.gbsprings.co.uk/heritage-car-springs/) list 'Heritage Car Springs' for most if not all the original OEM types to original specs.  Whether this is with BMHs approval I don't know, but normally they are pretty hot on misuse of their trade marks.

Incidentally the axle being offset to one side is almost universal and (apart from one claim I saw) always to the left giving typically a 1/2" narrower gap between tyre and arch on that side compared to the right.  It's not the springs (same offset on mine with three sets) or misalignment of the mounting points (having carefully measured using lines dropped to a flat and level surface and measuring the diagonals as well as track and wheelbase) so can only be original jig alignment of the several panels between the chassis rails and the outer wings and the shape of those panels.

This can result in tyre/arch rubbing on CB cars particularly with wider tyres, and almost guaranteed with wire-wheel conversion hubs on a stud-wheel axle.  There is some scope for compensating for this by slackening the U-bolts, giving the body a good hard shove to the left and holding it there while you retighten.  I've got mine pretty-well central now, but with 175 tyres and a pukka wire wheel axle I still get slight rubbing of tyres on arches - both now - on enthusiastic cornering fully laden.

Can't comment on the Moss US springs.

PaulH.

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Has anyone installed leaf springs recently? ...

That brings me to my 72B. I replaced the leaf springs about 10 years ago....
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