[Mgs] tappet question

[riverside at southslope.net]

Crane Cams recommends the following method
of valve adjustment.   check their website

Set the intake valve as the exhaust valve for that cylinder starts to open
Set the exhaust when the intake valve is almost fully closed.

I have used this for years and tested it by observing cam/valve locations
when doing double overhead cam motors.  it works

art d

From: Richard Ewald via Mgs 
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:00 AM
To: Clayton Kirkwood 
Cc: MG List 
Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question

Why would they be?  The lobes for #1 and #4 should be 180 degrees apart as should the lobes for #2  and #3. 
If they weren't you would have a very odd sounding and rough idle.
If you have ever listened to a air cooled VW motor, the source of their funny sounding idle is they fire one cylinder (#3) a bit retarded so it runs just a bit cooler as the oil cooler is right on top of the #3 cylinder.
But like I said, feel free to pull your valve cover and verify what I said.  This is the internet, for all you know, I am an 16 year old red head stringing you along.
Rick

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:

  Thanks but it was the best word that came to mind at the time. I think you understand what I was after. So, several degrees either side won’t matter is what you’re saying. I was fairly certain that was true, however, aren’t the lobes of intake on 1 and out on 8 slightly shifted on the cam? 



  TIA,



  Clayton



  From: Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald at gmail.com] 
  Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 8:37 PM
  To: crk at godblessthe.us
  Cc: <mgacars at yahoogroups.com>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
  Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question



  Houston we have a problem with terminology here. 

  TDC and BDC refer to the position of the piston in the bore, or in the firing stroke. Period. 

  Piston at the exact top of its stroke?  The piston is at TDC. At the exact bottom of its stroke? BDC. 

  #1 at the top of its stroke on compression?  The engine is at TDC. 

  What you are referring to is the valve being on the lobe or the heel of the cam. 

  If you doubt that when #s valves 1 & 3 are on the top of the lobe that valves 6 & 8 are fully on the heel feel free to rotate the engine several degrees one way or the other and see if the gap gets bigger (it won't) 

  This is because a camshaft is a circle (base circle) with a bump on one side. Anywhere on the heel is going to give you the same clearance. 

  There are even some engines that instruct you to put the engine @ TDC #1 adjust half the valves then rotate the engine 360 degrees and then adjust the other half. 

  Rick



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  On May 18, 2015, at 10:03, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs <mgs at autox.team.net> wrote:

    Regarding Rule of Nine, I understand having 8 all the way up to set 1. But there is a significant rotation between “real close to the top” in front of, and after TDC. This can be seen with rotation the engine and seeing very little to no movement. Also, if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is not perfectly in line with BDC of 1; there is a bias. This means that when 8 is TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC ready for measurement. So the question is, how do you ensure, with all of that slop, that you truly have BDC?



    TIA,



    Clayton






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