[Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100

Fri Oct 7 08:11:13 MDT 2022

It is clear that Josef had some sort of problem with older rich Americans invading his environment.  His outburst, and continued doubling down, suggests he truly has some sort of an issue with courtesy.  Now that it has emerged that the gentleman who died was not only not American, but was a Brit who lived in central Europe, his focus on age is all that remains from his initial set of assumptions.  While I don’t expect any kind of apology from Josef, it is a reminder to all of us that “jumping to assumptions” is rarely a good thing.   It is very easy to slip into prejudice and outrage, when perhaps neither is warranted.   

I personally would like this thread to fade into oblivion.

Thanks

-skip-

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Oritt
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2022 10:10 PM
To: Mike Sinclair <phoenix722 at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100

I'm 79 and still actively race.  I'm glad that Josef--otherwise known as Mr. Sensitivity--isn't on the qualifications committee.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 8:21 PM Mike Sinclair <phoenix722 at comcast.net <mailto:phoenix722 at comcast.net> > wrote:

Maybe you better quit driving, now Josef, before you get old and decrepit.

Mike

Age 82

On 10/6/22 12:32 PM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys wrote:

Yes, please forward my comment to his family. 

This person hasn´t recognizsed his limits and was a danger for other people on the road, drivers, bikers and cyclists, and even pedestrians, which are on our rural roads as well and also want to live and be not hurt by such a person.

Sorry, no mercy at all from my side.

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Datum: 2022-10-06T21:15:03+0200

Von: "Jim Ryan"  <mailto:ryan at jimryan.com> <ryan at jimryan.com>

An:  <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> "josef-eckert at t-online.de"  <mailto:josef-eckert at t-online.de> <josef-eckert at t-online.de>

Well, THAT was harsh.  You might want to forward that to his family just so they know how you feel about him.  When exactly is it you think  we should all stop driving?  Is it 75?  80?  I'm 71, I just want to get your advice on what age I'm endangering other people. 

That was easily the most insensitive posting I have ever seen on this list.

On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM josef-eckert--- via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote:

To be honest, I have no respect for such a person, or better 82 years old fart who brought others in danger with his driving. Thankfully no other person was invoved and injured. 

Its very common all over in central Europe to have these ditches, trees or even walls along country roads. That is how we love it. 

For big money you can book in to take part in one of these leasure raĺlys, where you get all accomodation organised, only you have to come from a to b along. these rallys are mainly booked from those mainly elderly people who do not know what to do otherwise with their money, even they are completely overextended by driving an old classic car. 

One should be wise enough to give up driving, when you are no more capable to drive. 

I am only sorry about the wrecked Austin-Healey.

Josef Eckert

konigswinter/GERMANY

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Datum: 2022-10-06T10:31:49+0200 

Von: "Michael Oritt" <michael.oritt at gmail.com <mailto:michael.oritt at gmail.com> > 

An: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter at gmail.com <mailto:michaelsalter at gmail.com> > 

Michael-- 

Most of them weren't "open" ditches--they were filled with rocks.   

I fondly recall the time we missed a left-hander, went off the road, somehow hurtled OVER the ditch and landed in a tree in a fellow's front yard.  As I remember it he stood there rather stunned while we cleared the branches out of the wheel openings, then hopped into the car and took off without much conversation. 

Best--Michael Oritt 

On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:36 PM Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

"all the roads are surrounded by open drainage ditches." 

Just like Newfoundland which for me was a major factor in giving up on the Targa there. 

M 

On Wed., Oct. 5, 2022, 1:06 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

Italian roads are amazing for driving through beautiful countryside, but they are deadly because all the roads are surrounded by open drainage ditches. 

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 3:27 AM, Richard Kahn via Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

I saw this yesterday. Very sad on so many levels. I was wondering if this is the drive a number of the Southern California Healey Association members are on in Europe at this moment. 

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Subject: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100 

Awful.  

https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat-killed-horror-crash-rally-austin-healey/ 

Randy 

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