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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>It is clear that Josef had some sort of problem with older rich Americans invading his environment. His outburst, and continued doubling down, suggests he truly has some sort of an issue with courtesy. Now that it has emerged that the gentleman who died was not only not American, but was a Brit who lived in central Europe, his focus on age is all that remains from his initial set of assumptions. While I don’t expect any kind of apology from Josef, it is a reminder to all of us that “jumping to assumptions” is rarely a good thing. It is very easy to slip into prejudice and outrage, when perhaps neither is warranted. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I personally would like this thread to fade into oblivion.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-skip-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Oritt<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 6, 2022 10:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast.net><br><b>Cc:</b> healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'>I'm 79 and still actively race. I'm glad that Josef--otherwise known as Mr. Sensitivity--isn't on the qualifications committee.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'>Best--Michael Oritt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 8:21 PM Mike Sinclair <<a href="mailto:phoenix722@comcast.net">phoenix722@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Maybe you better quit driving, now Josef, before you get old and decrepit.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Age 82</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10/6/22 12:32 PM, josef-eckert--- via Healeys wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Yes, please forward my comment to his family. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This person hasn´t recognizsed his limits and was a danger for other people on the road, drivers, bikers and cyclists, and even pedestrians, which are on our rural roads as well and also want to live and be not hurt by such a person.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sorry, no mercy at all from my side.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'>-----Original-Nachricht-----<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'>Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'>Datum: 2022-10-06T21:15:03+0200<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'>Von: "Jim Ryan" <a href="mailto:ryan@jimryan.com" target="_blank"><ryan@jimryan.com></a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'>An: <a href="mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de" target="_blank">"josef-eckert@t-online.de"</a> <a href="mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de" target="_blank"><josef-eckert@t-online.de></a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Well, THAT was harsh. You might want to forward that to his family just so they know how you feel about him. When exactly is it you think we should all stop driving? Is it 75? 80? I'm 71, I just want to get your advice on what age I'm endangering other people. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That was easily the most insensitive posting I have ever seen on this list.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM josef-eckert--- via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>To be honest, I have no respect for such a person, or better 82 years old fart who brought others in danger with his driving. Thankfully no other person was invoved and injured. <br><br>Its very common all over in central Europe to have these ditches, trees or even walls along country roads. That is how we love it. <br><br>For big money you can book in to take part in one of these leasure raĺlys, where you get all accomodation organised, only you have to come from a to b along. these rallys are mainly booked from those mainly elderly people who do not know what to do otherwise with their money, even they are completely overextended by driving an old classic car. <br><br>One should be wise enough to give up driving, when you are no more capable to drive. <br><br>I am only sorry about the wrecked Austin-Healey.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Josef Eckert</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>konigswinter/GERMANY<br><br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>-----Original-Nachricht----- <br><br>Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100 <br><br>Datum: 2022-10-06T10:31:49+0200 <br><br>Von: "Michael Oritt" <<a href="mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com" target="_blank">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>> <br><br>An: "Michael Salter" <<a href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com" target="_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>Michael-- <br><br> <br><br>Most of them weren't "open" ditches--they were filled with rocks. <br><br>I fondly recall the time we missed a left-hander, went off the road, somehow hurtled OVER the ditch and landed in a tree in a fellow's front yard. As I remember it he stood there rather stunned while we cleared the branches out of the wheel openings, then hopped into the car and took off without much conversation. <br><br> <br><br>Best--Michael Oritt <br><br><br>On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:36 PM Michael Salter via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <br><br>"all the roads are surrounded by open drainage ditches." <br><br>Just like Newfoundland which for me was a major factor in giving up on the Targa there. <br><br> <br><br>M <br><br>On Wed., Oct. 5, 2022, 1:06 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <br><br>Italian roads are amazing for driving through beautiful countryside, but they are deadly because all the roads are surrounded by open drainage ditches. <br><br><br>On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 3:27 AM, Richard Kahn via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <br><br>I saw this yesterday. Very sad on so many levels. I was wondering if this is the drive a number of the Southern California Healey Association members are on in Europe at this moment. <br><br> <br><br>From: Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of Randy Hicks via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> <br>Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:40 AM <br>To: Healey List <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> <br>Subject: [Healeys] Sad news - Rallyist Killed in Healey 100 <br><br> <br><br>Awful. <br><br> <br><br><a href="https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat-killed-horror-crash-rally-austin-healey/" target="_blank">https://www.the-sun.com/news/6355269/british-expat-killed-horror-crash-rally-austin-healey/</a> <br><br> <br><br>Randy <br><br>_______________________________________________ <br>Support Team.Net <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" 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