[Healeys] Coolant bypass port in the head - 6-cyl

Bob Spidell bspidell at comcast.net
Tue Mar 29 22:38:08 MDT 2022


Never used any, in this car anyway (for emergencies only, IMO). It was 
solder.

On 3/29/2022 7:42 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
> Bob -
>
> One thing it might be is stop leak.  Stop leak can plug up a system if 
> there's air in there somewhere, and stop leak will form clumps if you 
> don't drive the car every day.  Using stop leak is fine, but you have 
> to flush the system out thoroughly after the stop leak has plugged the 
> holes in your system.
>
> Best,
>
> Alan
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 10:10 AM Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>     It's been years, and my memory is (always) suspect, but I believe
>     I put a RS in a pan of boiling water (with a frog, of course). The
>     conical top of the RS goes up in the thermostat housing, so I
>     think the moving part can only go down. IIRC, the sleeve only
>     moved a quarter-inch or so and I thought at the time it would only
>     cover maybe half of the bypass port.
>
>     I mostly came to the conclusion Michael did: Covering the port or
>     not makes no measurable difference; it's certainly not a cure for
>     overheating Healeys.
>
>     On another note; I drained my BJ8 to install another heater valve
>     and block valve and, when filling noticed some crud blocking a
>     couple tubes. It was hard to extract, but when I did it appeared
>     to be solder that had come off from somewher (by the shape
>     probably from around a tube). Rad's not leaking, but I'm not a
>     happy camper; this was an 'uprated' core installed less than 6 or
>     7 years ago.
>
>
>     On 3/29/2022 7:00 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
>>     Hi Bob -
>>
>>     the Robertshaw thermostats are nicely made, but they open the
>>     wrong way around... let me do some measurements as I am dealing
>>     with the cooling on my BJ8 now.  I have a robert shaw... as well
>>     as another sleeved thermostat as well as the bellows.
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Alan
>>
>>     On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 9:54 AM Bob Spidell
>>     <bspidell at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>         Years ago, someone--might have been BCS, but I'm not
>>         sure--was selling a Robertshaw thermostat with a brass sleeve
>>         soldered to it (Robertshaw thermostats have a center portion
>>         that moves up and down). The one I bought was 160deg; I
>>         desoldered the sleeve and soldered it to a 180deg Robertshaw.
>>         I bought one of the original, bellows-type from
>>         Kees--whatever happened to him?--but never installed it;
>>         heard they were the 'fail closed' type, which could turn a
>>         minor failure into a catastrophe (still have it around
>>         somewhere).
>>
>>         https://flowkoolerwaterpumps.com/products/robertshaw-330-160-degree-thermostat
>>
>>
>>         On 3/29/2022 6:35 PM, Alan Seigrist via Healeys wrote:
>>>         Harold -
>>>
>>>         Thank you, now I understand how the whole thing is supposed
>>>         to work.  The sleeve works to cut off the bypass so that hot
>>>         water is not recycled into the system after it warms up.
>>>         FWIW, this only applies to the 6 cyl, the 4 cyl doesn't have
>>>         any sort of bypass.
>>>
>>>         Yes, I think it would be great if you could share with us
>>>         which thermostat to purchase and how to modify it.
>>>
>>>         Best,
>>>
>>>         Alan
>>>
>>>         On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 1:28 AM Harold Manifold via Healeys
>>>         <healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>             The coolant bypass plays an important but problematic
>>>             role in the Healey’s cooling system. When the thermostat
>>>             is closed coolant returns to the water pump via the
>>>             bypass. See the red circle on the attached picture. The
>>>             bypass is important for three reasons: its allows the
>>>             coolant in the block to continue to circulate and come
>>>             to a uniform temperature before the thermostat opens, it
>>>             prevents hot spots that could develop from stagnant
>>>             coolant and it prevents the water pump from dead heading.
>>>
>>>             The problematic part is in the original design the
>>>             bypass was closed by a sleeve on the bellows type
>>>             thermostat when the thermostat opened. The original
>>>             Bellows type thermostat used a volatile liquid and were
>>>             not reliable and were not suitable for the 7 psi cooling
>>>             system pressure. Wax type thermostats are much more
>>>             reliable but they do not have a sleeve to close off the
>>>             bypass. There may be some expensive wax type replicas of
>>>             the original bellows type.
>>>
>>>             After looking at many options the best option for a
>>>             reasonably priced wax type thermostat with a sleeve to
>>>             close off the bay pass is the modified Land Rover Series
>>>             ll thermostat. If anyone would like to know about
>>>             modifying the Landver thermostat let me know. It can be
>>>             easily done.
>>>
>>>             Harold
>>>
>>>             *From: *Michael Salter via Healeys
>>>             <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
>>>             *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2022 9:17 AM
>>>             *To: *Healey list <mailto:Healeys at autox.team.net>
>>>             *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Coolant bypass port in the head
>>>             - 6-cyl
>>>
>>>             The coolant travels from the bottom of the radiator to
>>>             the water pump into the block then from the block into
>>>             the head then through the thermostat to the top of the
>>>             radiator.
>>>
>>>             M
>>>
>>>             On Tue., Mar. 29, 2022, 11:57 a.m. Elton S,
>>>             <eps2660 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 As a related question, what is the direction of flow
>>>                 through the radiator - up from the bottom or down
>>>                 from the top?
>>>
>>>                 Elton
>>>
>>>                 BJ7
>>>
>>>                 On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:44 AM Michael Salter
>>>                 <michaelsalter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     As Gary points out, and far as I have been able
>>>                     to figure out, the bypass passage is open when
>>>                     the engine is cold, the idea being that by
>>>                     "short circuiting" the radiator the coolant in
>>>                     the heater and bypass passage will warm up more
>>>                     quickly and the heater will produce heat more
>>>                     quickly.
>>>
>>>                     We had a slew of the "shrouded " type
>>>                     thermostats that I bought when Smiths Canada
>>>                     closed down. The part number was 43570/28 and we
>>>                     used to sell them to customers who reported
>>>                     overheating problems.
>>>
>>>                     I stopped promoting them as a potential solution
>>>                     to overheating issues after being taken to task
>>>                     by a customer who did an extensive study of the
>>>                     issue and proved, at least to my satisfaction, 
>>>                     that they improved cooling not one iota.
>>>
>>>                     M
>>>
>>>                     On Tue., Mar. 29, 2022, 10:47 a.m. Alan
>>>                     Seigrist, <healey.nut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         I don't know if this has ever been answered
>>>                         before, but where does the little bypass
>>>                         port begin?
>>>
>>>                         What parts of the head does that bypass come
>>>                         in contact with?
>>>
>>>                         When do you want to cover the port with a
>>>                         sleeve (when coolant is hot or cold?)
>>>
>>>                         I ask because the old bellows style
>>>                         thermostat will cover the bypass port when
>>>                         the thermostat opens
>>>
>>>                         then I have another wax thermostat and the
>>>                         sleeve actually cover the bypass when it is
>>>                         cold, and doesn't cover it when the
>>>                         thermostat opens.... so it works exact
>>>                         opposite to the old bellows style thermostat.
>>>
>>>                         confused....
>>>
>>>                         Cheers,
>>>
>>>                         Alan
>>>
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