[Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction

Bob Haskell rchaskell at earthlink.net
Wed Oct 17 16:13:06 MDT 2018


The numbers are in two different locations.  The number that Simon 
provided a picture of is just in front of the right hand side shock 
mount.  On the BJ8s I believe the VIN is stamped on the outboard side of 
the same shock mount.

Cheers,

Bob Haskell
AHCA 3000 MkI registrar
http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php

On 10/17/2018 08:55 AM, i erbs wrote:
> Is that a body # or vin #? My understanding was vin# were only stamped 
> on BJ8s
> 
> Ira Erbs
> Portland, OR
> typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone
> 
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 2:06 AM <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com 
> <mailto:simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com>> wrote:
> 
>     That’s wrong. My MkII BT7 certainly does. Can’t remember about the
>     Mk Is etc.____
> 
>     Bill Bolton, Mr Tricarb himself, was always very keen to get those
>     numbers for his archive.____
> 
>     The numbers are fairly hard to access unless the front end is pretty
>     much stripped down. ____
> 
>     See attached. Not mine. Can’t remember whose….maybe Bill sent it to
>     me to show where to look.____
> 
>     He pointed out that they can get virtually lost under a few coats of
>     paint.____
> 
>     Simon____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>> *On Behalf Of *i erbs
>     *Sent:* 16 October 2018 18:31
>     *To:* Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net
>     <mailto:mgcharlie at comcast.net>>
>     *Cc:* Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the shock towers.____
> 
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>     ____
> 
>     Ira Erbs____
> 
>     Portland,OR____
> 
>            _______                                  _______
>           (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
>               (_________________________)____
> 
>                BT7 engine and disk brakes____
> 
>     __ __
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>     __ __
> 
>     1967 MGB MG____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario
>     Andretti____
> 
>     Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words____
> 
>     __ __
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> 
>     On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin
>     <mgcharlie at comcast.net <mailto:mgcharlie at comcast.net>> wrote:____
> 
>          From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped
>         there, but it doesn't match any other other number on the car,
>         but BJ8s do have the chassis number there.____
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:____
> 
>             So Charlie, ____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the
>             right front shock tower. ____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to
>             BJ7's.  They had _glass_ "Beehive" front parking/side and
>             rear stop lights, reflectors, the pull versus the
>             push-button door handles and the lower rear axle.  They DID
>             have the wood dash and of course the larger engine making
>             them BJ8s not BJ7s.____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             Here's a nice example in Black w/red interior... ____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations.  When
>             they first came out in 1964-5 they now had the single
>             plastic lights front and rear with the reflectors, the
>             jacked up rear end, and push button door handles.____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             Here's another nice example in Black w/red interior...____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic
>             lights, two front and two rear.____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             One final example in Black over Red w/ a red interior...____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             This should clear things up.____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             Cheers,____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             Curt____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin
>             <mgcharlie at comcast.net <mailto:mgcharlie at comcast.net>>
>             wrote:____
> 
>                 So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match
>                 what a car with that chassis number should look like. 
>                 Don't BJ8s have the chassis number stamped on the right
>                 front shock mount?  So it may be titled with the wrong
>                 chassis number.  That is a greater concern to me than
>                 being the wrong color or having poorly fitting seat
>                 covers.  The poorly stamped chassis number plate could
>                 be part of the issue also.____
> 
>                 When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction,
>                 I thought that it probably isn't really a '65 due to the
>                 double parking/ts lights.  Then I figured it was just an
>                 error on the year they put on the title.  But this is
>                 much more serious an issue since the chassis number does
>                 not indicate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely
>                 looks like one.____
> 
>                 Charlie____
> 
>                 __ __
> 
>                 On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:____
> 
>                     FWIW...____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     Obviously, there are some issues with this car. ____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible
>                     and that also brings up another issue in that the
>                     vast majority of US delivered convertibles came with
>                     vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to
>                     have leather seats. I don't know the percentage off
>                     the top of my head, but it may have been less than
>                     5%.  I will check.____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     <Leather on BJ8’s was an option on home market cars
>                     (England). Very few original American LHD BJ8 have
>                     been observed with leather seats -- *“Leather trim
>                     for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs” *was
>                     listed as an available option for BJ8's.>____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     For me the biggest potential issue is that this car
>                     is supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. _30659_), and as
>                     such it would have had the single plastic side
>                     lights up front and also in the rear, with
>                     reflectors instead of the second set of amber
>                     plastic turn signal lights? ____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                      From the 2018 Guidelines...____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front
>                     parking/turn flasher unit with a white plastic lens
>                     that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas type
>                     692), up through Phase II BJ8 (C) _31337_ (B) 76137.____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with
>                     a single beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just
>                     above the bumper, were used on all Healeys up to
>                     Phase II BJ8 Car No. _31336_ (B) 76138 (type 594 on
>                     100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704).  With that car, the
>                     upper reflectors were replaced with separate
>                     turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and
>                     amber plastic lenses and the lower lights were
>                     replaced  with tail/brake lights with red plastic
>                     lenses. Both upper and lower lights on these later
>                     cars were Lucas type 692 through the end of
>                     production.>____
> 
>                     ____
> 
>                     Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the
>                     right front wing wheel opening?  The metal work
>                     looks a bit inconsistent and the opening is not
>                     consistently round? Compare to the right rear wheel
>                     opening.  Maybe it's the angle of the photo, I don't
>                     know?  The left front opening looks much better.____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and
>                     overall, any criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a
>                     cost, but then the high bid of $67.5K may reflect
>                     these observations. It is an overall good looking
>                     car none the less, even with its flaws.____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     Cheers,____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     Curt____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin
>                     <mgcharlie at comcast.net
>                     <mailto:mgcharlie at comcast.net>> wrote:____
> 
>                         Steve, I'm glad you have it in the registry.
>                         Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car
>                         show that it was restored there, but I didn't
>                         know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.
>                         It appears that leather seat covers were
>                         installed, but not very well as someone else
>                         mentioned.
> 
> 
>                          > On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys
>                         <sbyers at ec.rr.com <mailto:sbyers at ec.rr.com>> wrote:
>                          >
>                          >
>                          > Charlie Baldwin:  strange that I never
>                         received your original message via the list (yet).
>                          >
>                          > Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One
>                         previous owner recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA
>                         member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut
>                         Holzer's BMC Classics in April 2008.
>                          >
>                          > Steve Byers
>                          > HBJ8L/36666
>                          > BJ8 Registry
>                          > AHCA Delegate at Large
>                          > Havelock, NC
>                          >
>                          >
>                          >
>                          > -----Original Message-----
>                          > From: Healeys
>                         [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net
>                         <mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>] On
>                         Behalf Of Bob Spidell
>                          > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM
>                          > To: healeys at autox.team.net
>                         <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
>                          > Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
>                          >
>                          > Not MGB, but 'champagne.'  Was that an
>                         original color?  This one came
>                          > from the factory in white; maybe that's why
>                         it didn't sell?
>                          >
>                          > Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and
>                         is the shift lever bent, or
>                          > is it an illusion?  And the fluid reservoir
>                         spoils an otherwise nice
>                          > engine bay presentation.  Nice car, nonetheless.
>                          >
>                          > Bob
>                          >
>                          >
>                          > On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:
>                          > > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that
>                         was in the auction, but
>                          > > apparently didn't make reserve.  I think
>                         the hammer price was
>                          > > $67,500.  Comments anyone?  Steve Byers, is
>                         this one in your register?
>                          > >
>                          > >
>                         https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386
> 
>                          > >
>                          > >
>                          >
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