[Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction

i erbs eyera3000 at gmail.com
Wed Oct 17 06:55:46 MDT 2018 

Is that a body # or vin #? My understanding was vin# were only stamped on
BJ8s

Ira Erbs
Portland, OR
typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 2:06 AM <simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com> wrote:

> That’s wrong. My MkII BT7 certainly does. Can’t remember about the Mk Is
> etc.
>
> Bill Bolton, Mr Tricarb himself, was always very keen to get those numbers
> for his archive.
>
> The numbers are fairly hard to access unless the front end is pretty much
> stripped down.
>
> See attached. Not mine. Can’t remember whose….maybe Bill sent it to me to
> show where to look.
>
> He pointed out that they can get virtually lost under a few coats of paint.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *i erbs
> *Sent:* 16 October 2018 18:31
> *To:* Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net>
> *Cc:* Ahealey help <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
>
>
>
> BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the shock towers.
>
>
> Ira Erbs
>
> Portland,OR
>
>       _______                                  _______
>      (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
>          (_________________________)
>
>           BT7 engine and disk brakes
>
>
>
>
>
> 1967 MGB  [image: MG]
>
>
>
> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
>
> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but it
> doesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the
> chassis number there.
>
>
>
> On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
>
> So Charlie,
>
>
>
> Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right front shock
> tower.
>
>
>
> To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's.  They had
> *glass* "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights, reflectors,
> the pull versus the push-button door handles and the lower rear axle.  They
> DID have the wood dash and of course the larger engine making them BJ8s not
> BJ7s.
>
>
>
> Here's a nice example in Black w/red interior...
>
>
>
> https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13
>
>
>
> Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations.  When they first came
> out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights front and rear with
> the reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and push button door handles.
>
>
>
> Here's another nice example in Black w/red interior...
>
>
>
>
> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii
>
>
>
> In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights, two
> front and two rear.
>
>
>
> One final example in Black over Red w/ a red interior...
>
>
>
> https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721
>
>
>
> This should clear things up.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Curt
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car with
> that chassis number should look like.  Don't BJ8s have the chassis number
> stamped on the right front shock mount?  So it may be titled with the wrong
> chassis number.  That is a greater concern to me than being the wrong color
> or having poorly fitting seat covers.  The poorly stamped chassis number
> plate could be part of the issue also.
>
> When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought that it
> probably isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts lights.  Then I
> figured it was just an error on the year they put on the title.  But this
> is much more serious an issue since the chassis number does not indicate it
> is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like one.
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
> On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
>
> FWIW...
>
>
>
> Obviously, there are some issues with this car.
>
>
>
> Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also brings up
> another issue in that the vast majority of US delivered convertibles came
> with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to have leather seats.
> I don't know the percentage off the top of my head, but it may have been
> less than 5%.  I will check.
>
>
>
> <Leather on BJ8’s was an option on home market cars (England). Very few
> original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with leather seats -- *“Leather
> trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs” *was listed as an
> available option for BJ8's.>
>
>
>
> For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is supposedly a 1965
> (chassis no. *30659*), and as such it would have had the single plastic
> side lights up front and also in the rear, with reflectors instead of the
> second set of amber plastic turn signal lights?
>
>
>
> From the 2018 Guidelines...
>
>
>
> <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher unit
> with a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas type
> 692), up through Phase II BJ8 (C) *31337* (B) 76137.
>
>
>
> Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single
> beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the bumper, were used on
> all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. *31336* (B) 76138 (type 594 on
> 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704).  With that car, the upper reflectors were
> replaced with separate turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and
> amber plastic lenses and the lower lights were replaced  with tail/brake
> lights with red plastic lenses. Both upper and lower lights on these
> later cars were Lucas type 692 through the end of production.>
>
>
>
> Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right front wing wheel
> opening?  The metal work looks a bit inconsistent and the opening is not
> consistently round? Compare to the right rear wheel opening.  Maybe it's
> the angle of the photo, I don't know?  The left front opening looks much
> better.
>
>
>
> All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall, any criticisms
> can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high bid of $67.5K may
> reflect these observations. It is an overall good looking car none the
> less, even with its flaws.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Curt
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> Steve, I'm glad you have it in the registry.
> Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it was restored
> there, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.
> It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not very well as
> someone else mentioned.
>
>
> > On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys <sbyers at ec.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Charlie Baldwin:  strange that I never received your original message
> via the list (yet).
> >
> > Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One previous owner recorded in New
> Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC
> Classics in April 2008.
> >
> > Steve Byers
> > HBJ8L/36666
> > BJ8 Registry
> > AHCA Delegate at Large
> > Havelock, NC
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
> Spidell
> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM
> > To: healeys at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
> >
> > Not MGB, but 'champagne.'  Was that an original color?  This one came
> > from the factory in white; maybe that's why it didn't sell?
> >
> > Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the shift lever bent, or
> > is it an illusion?  And the fluid reservoir spoils an otherwise nice
> > engine bay presentation.  Nice car, nonetheless.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:
> > > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the auction, but
> > > apparently didn't make reserve.  I think the hammer price was
> > > $67,500.  Comments anyone?  Steve Byers, is this one in your register?
> > >
> > >
> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386
> > >
> > >
> >
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