[Healeys] Effects of Ethanol

i erbs eyera3000 at gmail.com
Thu May 31 21:41:48 MDT 2018


agreed

Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
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On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 3:03 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink at msn.com> wrote:

> Whatever happened to "Alcohol and gasoline don't mix."
>
>
> I prefer my ethanol chilled in 16 ounce containers...
>
>
> Bill Lawrence
>
> BN1 #554
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Bob Spidell
> <bspidell at comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:23:39 PM
> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
>
> That's been my experience.  We've logged many thousands of miles and
> calculated the MPG we get on every tank; the difference between 10%
> gasahol and pure gas is negligible (although it's impossible to get
> exact comparisons because road conditions, altitude, etc. change over
> the course of a tank).  Also, FWIW, in 140K miles I've never had a
> problem that could be attributed to ethanol; I just replaced the
> Petroflex hard line to carburettor flex line because it was a little
> stiff but was in otherwise good nick at over 100K miles.  The coating in
> the tank has held up as well.
>
> But I still don't like subsidizing ADM.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 5/30/2018 8:39 AM, Kees Oudesluijs wrote:
> > The better mileage on pure petrol is only theoretical. In practice you
> > will not notice at all. Ethanol has a lower energy content so you
> > would require more ethanol than petrol for a given amount of energy.
> > However there is only 5% maximum in petrol unless stated otherwise in
> > Europe and a small bit of 5% is negligible and well within the
> > tolerance of the accuracy of the measurement. I very much doubt if one
> > can register an increase of 1% in mileage. There are so many other
> > factors influencing mileage.
> >
> > Kees Oudesluijs
> >
> >
> >
> > Op 30-5-2018 om 12:55 schreef simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com:
> >> The Ethanol rules are different here in the UK. Probably dreamed up
> >> by some booby in Brussels, passed into law and we're the only country
> >> enforcing it.
> >> As to the practicalities.......I'm not sure about my current setup
> >> (Webers) but previously (3 HD6s), I was pretty sure that I got more
> >> mileage for my money on high(er) octane. More bangs for my
> >> buck/better value for money..whatever.
> >> Simon
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net
> <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>] On Behalf Of
> >> Bob Haskell
> >> Sent: 30 May 2018 11:00
> >> To: John Rowe <john at jtkarowe.com.au>
> >> Cc: 'Healey List' <healeys at autox.team.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
> >>
> >> One can still buy non-ethanol fuel at the pump here in the States;
> >> Countrymark is one company that sells premium with zero ethanol.  One
> >> can't always tell if there's ethanol in the gasoline by looking at
> >> the pump.  Apparently, it's up to the individual state to decide if a
> >> label on the pump is required. I don't think that it's required in
> >> Indiana.
> >>
> >> A couple of reasons for ethanol: reduces amount of oil used/imported
> >> and another market for corn.  Not sure I agree with using a
> >> foodstuff, but that's what's been done.
> >>
> >> The other issue I've wondered about, but haven't looked into, is the
> >> price differential between grades of gasoline.  For years the mid
> >> grade was 10 cents a gallon more than regular and premium was another
> >> 10 cents.  In the last couple of years it's changed to 25 to 30 cents
> >> between grades.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Bob Haskell
> >> AHCA 3000 MkI registrar
> >> http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php
> >>
> >> On 05/29/2018 10:04 PM, John Rowe wrote:
> >>> OK, thanks Mike. We have it in Oz, and the greenies here are trying to
> >>> make it mandatory I believe. We can buy 91/95/98 unleaded at the pump.
> >>> For 98 we pay about $1.70/litre.
> >>>
> >>> At 2c/litre discount for E10 from 91 octane (which won’t run Healeys),
> >>> why would you bother buying it due to the decreased mpg.
> >>>
> >>> John Rowe Qld Australia
> >>>
> >>> *From:*Michael MacLean [mailto:rrengineer.mike at att.net
> <rrengineer.mike at att.net>]
> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:26 AM
> >>> *To:* john at jtkarowe.com.au; tld6008 at mchsi.com
> >>> *Cc:* 'Healey List'
> >>> *Subject:* RE: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
> >>>
> >>> Fuel at the pump is 10% ethanol by law.  Right now gasoline is going
> >>> for an average of $3.75 to $4 US per gallon.  If you want fuel without
> >>> ethanol you can buy high octane racing gas, but it's $10 per gallon
> >>> and it is supposed to be illegal in street vehicles.
> >>>
> >>> Mike M
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> >>>
> >>>      On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 4:43 PM, John Rowe
> >>>
> >>>      <john at jtkarowe.com.au> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>      As an Australian, I ask ‘why do you use ethanol in these
> >>> vehicles?’,
> >>>      or don’t you have a say as to what you use in your countries.
> >>>
> >>>      John Rowe
> >>>
> >>>      Qld Australia
> >>>
> >>>      *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net
> <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>] *On
> >>> Behalf Of
> >>>      *Michael MacLean
> >>>      *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 May 2018 5:55 AM
> >>>      *To:* tld6008 at mchsi.com
> >>>      *Cc:* Healey List
> >>>      *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
> >>>
> >>>      Don't do it.  It will fill with gas in about two years and you
> >>> will
> >>>      be doing this again.  All you have to do is buy a brass float and
> >>>      swap it out for the plastic one and sleep well at night. It just
> >>>      snaps right in. The brass float is a Ford part no. COAZ-9202-B.
> >>> You
> >>>      can find them on eBay, Amazon, Summit Racing and even the Ford
> >>>      dealer.  Ethanol does not eat brass.
> >>>
> >>>      Mike M.
> >>>
> >>>      Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> >>>
> >>>          On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:46 PM, Tim Davis BN7
> >>>
> >>>          <tld6008 at mchsi.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>          I had the powdery residue all over mine. I just bought a
> >>> new one
> >>>          from Moss it has a plastic float. Hopefully it will hold up.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>          Tim Davis BN7
> >>>
> >>>          ----- Original Message -----
> >>>          From: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net>
> >>>          To: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
> >>>          Sent: Tue, 29 May 2018 11:29:39 -0400 (EDT)
> >>>          Subject: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
> >>>
> >>>          This past weekend I removed the tank to extract the sending
> >>> unit
> >>>          on my Bugeye because of a constant reading of empty on the
> >>>          gauge.  As suspected, the plastic float was filled with
> >>>          gasoline.  Ethanol!  While replacing the plastic float for
> >>> brass
> >>>          and the cork gaskets for Viton type gaskets, I also swapped
> >>> out
> >>>          the sending unit top cover cork gasket with a Viton type using
> >>>          Hylomar AF to seal things up.  The big surprise came when I
> >>>          found the rheostat cavity full of gasoline.  Must have entered
> >>>          through the hole in the sending unit body for the float lever.
> >>>          Anyone have experience with this?  Should I be concerned?  I
> >>>          remember the original sending unit I removed form the Bugeye
> >>>          tank was full of a white powdery residue around the rheostat
> >>>          like it had also been filled with gasoline.  Anyone have
> >>>          experience with this?
> >>>
> >>>          Mike MacLean
> >>>
>
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