[Healeys] RE vin plates on ebay

Sat Jun 24 16:41:47 MDT 2017

What I am doing is taking a chassis ID plate from a car that was cut up, cannibalized and no longer exists due to rust and other damage and just replacing everything behind that plate.  I am in effect, restoring the car with the number on the chassis ID plate I acquired.  Otherwise maybe you think the chassis ID plate should have been destroyed with the rusted out car.  The parts are coming from many BN1s and BN2s.  The donor, almost rolling bare chassis  (the rear end was held in with a come-a-long) had virtually no chassis ID plate, (see picture below) body numbers anywhere on the car.  We were only sure it was a BN2 body due to the rear trans mount.  So what is wrong with using this ID plate to restore a car with a new frame and sheet metal, a new drive train, a new rebuilt suspension, etc.?  Don't some people buy Jule frames for their restoration when rust or accident damage destroys the old frame?  Maybe the sheet metal had to be replaced along with a new inner frame too.  Is that now fraud because the original owner replaced most of the car behind the chassis ID plate?   These days when you can replace almost any part of a Healey with a reproduction or original part and just about build a car from parts available I don't see what is wrong with what I am doing.  When I sell the car, I will be happy to tell the prospective buyer exactly how the car was built.  I am sure the new buyer would rather have an original Healey chassis ID plate on the firewall rather than some digits stamped into the frame by the state.Mike MacLean

    On Saturday, June 24, 2017 11:14 AM, "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de> wrote:

 Thanks Alan,
That´s why I am responded and also made it public. Josef EckertKonigswinter/Germany   -----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [Healeys] RE vin plates on ebayDatum: 2017-06-24T17:20:10+0200Von: "Alan Grossman" <agrossman at pacific.net>An: "Healeys at autox.team.net" <Healeys at autox.team.net>   Yes, not the place. But the continued gratuitous insinuations that Ira or his heirs intend to commit fraud, are stupid, unethical etc etc almost demanded a response. I don't fault Ira at all.Not wanting to fan the flames, just calling the balls and strikes.Best, Alan

On 6/24/2017 4:52 AM, Randall Hicks wrote:
Offline, gentleman, please. Randy
 On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:53 AM, "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de> wrote:

   Ira,What you are explaining to do is is illegal and against any law in any "Constitutional Democraty". I am not sure if you still live in such a state. Anyway its foolish to show and write in an open forum what you are going to do where everybody can read it. You think  you keep the car in the family, but whenever you may be forced to sell it and you or your followers do not mention your fraud to the potential buyer,  you are in legal trouble, at least when living in a country with a legal framework implemented. - fullstopIn our country I would just wait and when you have finished with your "modifications" I would send you an official investigator and you have a court case.I couldn´t believe how stupid you are with your open words.  Josef EckertKonigswinter/Germany   -----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [Healeys] RE vin plates on ebayDatum: 2017-06-24T08:27:47+0200Von: "i erbs" <eyera3000 at gmail.com>An: "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de>   So Josef, other than continuing to be a prick, what is the point of your post? If I was trying to hide anything I would not be dumb enough to post. The car will stay in the family as my kids want it.the story will stay with the car and it will be properly registered if I can complete all the paperwork if not, it will stay a bn4 with BT7 upgrades.

Ira Erbs
 1959 100-6
 MKI engine and disc brakes
 excuse typos and strange words my phone wants you to see.
 Portland,OR
On Jun 22, 2017 3:48 PM, "josef-eckert at t-online.de" <josef-eckert at t-online.de> wrote:

Now anybody knows you are going to fake your car and this is illegal in some countries.

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