[Healeys] Missing under Load

Oudesluys coudesluijs at chello.nl
Thu Jun 4 07:08:16 MDT 2015 

Indeed copper core leads and unsuppressed caps can cause problems with 
modern electronics incl. the car radio. I think that in some countries 
they may be illegal because of that as they may also effect gear from 
other road users and even houses.
Suppressor caps may help as will capacitors in various strategic places 
like dynamo/alternator.
In spite of all that I use them again on my car after I used Lumenition 
leads that were specially intended for use with electronic ignition before.
Cell phone, blue tooth and GPS do work perfectly well though.
Kees Oudesluijs


Michael Salter schreef op 4-6-2015 om 14:18:
> Although I use them myself I do have one caution regarding the use of 
> solid core ignition wires.
> As Michael Oritt discovered in Targa Newfoundland they can play havoc 
> with electronics. We encountered problems with our "wired" intercom 
> and Terratrip rally meter which immediately vanished when we reverted 
> to suppressor leads.
> I have also found that my cell phone will not receive messages or even 
> do GPS navigation while the engine is running in #174 which has 
> completely original 62 year old Lucas ignition components.
> Michael S
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Simon Lachlan 
> <simon.lachlan at homecall.co.uk <mailto:simon.lachlan at homecall.co.uk>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Not 100% sure what you mean by “the advance curves are retained”.
>     In the 123 you can choose your advance curve.
>
>     And I’m sure one of the built in choice approximates to the original.
>
>     And yes(!), I too have a complete Lucas dizzie in my boot. The
>     correct rotor arm, decent old Champion plug caps, bumble bee
>     copper wire. Fitted with a Pertronix. Points also carried on
>     longer expeditions. Belt and braces!!
>
>     Simon
>
>     *From:*Alan Seigrist [mailto:healey.nut at gmail.com
>     <mailto:healey.nut at gmail.com>]
>     *Sent:* 04 June 2015 07:33
>     *To:* Simon Lachlan
>     *Cc:* Bob Spidell; Healey list
>
>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load
>
>     The advantage with Pertonix over 123 is the advance curves are
>     retained and also if your pertronix does fry, keeping points in
>     the boot is easy for a backup.  I have a 123 in my A90 and I keep
>     a full lucas dizzy with attached cam driveshaft in the boot, just
>     in case.  Call me strange.
>
>     On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Simon Lachlan
>     <simon.lachlan at homecall.co.uk
>     <mailto:simon.lachlan at homecall.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Or get a 123Ignition distributor.
>
>     Simon
>
>     *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net>] *On Behalf Of *Bob Spidell
>     *Sent:* 04 June 2015 06:09
>     *To:* healeys at autox.team.net <mailto:healeys at autox.team.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Missing under Load
>
>     Agree across-the-board.   Had same problem with suppressor wires;
>     installed copper stranded wires and no problem in 60K miles or so.
>
>
>
>     re: "Strongly suggested I install points instead of the
>     Petronics." Why?  Does he recommend blood-letting and trepanning
>     for headaches?  I know Jeff is an acknowledged expert, but
>     disagree with the points recommendation.  Name a modern
>     manufacturer--they of the 100K mile tuneups--that recommends
>     points?  Have (probably) 80K miles on Pertronix--with OEM Lucas
>     cap and stranded wires--with no ignition issues (save the
>     occasional well-known bad rotor).  If you like changing points
>     every 5K miles, fine, but it's not the solution to every ignition
>     problem.
>
>     You need: OEM Lucas distributor cap (if you can find one),
>     stranded copper wire secondary wires, OEM Lucas suppressor plug
>     caps, good plugs, and a quality rotor.
>
>     Bob
>
>     On 6/3/2015 6:33 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
>
>         If you are running suppressed modern wires into your standard
>         Lucas cap, you can have huge problems, as the graphite type
>         materials they use in these don't like connecting to the screw
>         connector in the Lucas cap .  You need to use metal core
>         wires, such as bumble bee wire.
>
>         Also did you check distributor shaft wobble? If your dizzy
>         bushes are worn, and you have excessive wobble, you could also
>         be having similar problems.
>
>         Lastly, check internal wires/insulating washers in the dizzy
>         make sure it is all kosher.
>
>         On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:24 AM, R. Price Lindsay
>         <050.rpl at gmail.com <mailto:050.rpl at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Took the BJ8 out today.  Changed the plug wire to #6 (there
>         was a visible spark last night).  The car struggled big time 
>         Had to change rotors every 3 miles in order to get the car
>         home. Driving along and all of a sudden backfire, black smoke,
>         nothing.  Changed the rotor (it was noticeably hot) and got
>         another 2 or 3 miles out of it. Looked tonight in the dark and
>         the visible spark from number 6 plug was not there.  Talked to
>         Jeff with Advanced Distributors and he suggested it was plug
>         wires.  Strongly suggested I install points instead of the
>         Petronics.  At his suggestion, I checked the ohm reading on
>         the plug wires and they checked out OK.  Still wondering if it
>         could be bad gas, I did add a product called “Heat.”  Supposed
>         to absorb any water that may be in the gas tank.  Not much
>         help, so far.
>
>         I’m waiting for the plug wires and distributor cap from Moss
>         Motors to show up to install them.  Hope that helps but not
>         really convinced it’s the solution.
>
>         Do you guys have any words of wisdom for me?
>
>         Price Lindsay
>         67 BJ8
>
>
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