[Healeys] Moss brake recall

[Bob Spidell]

Uh, just for the record--since my off-topic reply got mixed into this--I'm a (mostly) satisfied Moss customer. 

I also posted the link to the TR site where the Moss guy said pretty much the same thing Chris just did. 

Bob 

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Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA 

----- Original Message -----


Geez. You guys are so ready to chuck shit at Moss. 
Read the document. 
10,000 cycles at 3,000 psi. At what temperature?? In a Master Cylinder?? 
Maybe you need to understand that the front brake caliper seals in a 
front running race Healey 3000 with standard bj8 type discs need to be 
replaced after 50 laps. They MELT! The outer dust seals are toast 
after 5 or 10 laps. 
Doesn't make a difference who makes them, it's a compound limitation. 
It's temperature at the caliper. Where the real temperature is. 
That test - 10,000 cycles, At 3,000 psi. At just under the boiling 
point of wet DOT 3 fluid, was IN THE MASTER CYLINDER! 
Try and achieve that temperature in your master cylinder in a road car. 
You guys are dreaming. 
Yep. 
Read the release. 
Everyone is entiltled to an opinion. 
My advice? At least read the document presented. 
And I'd at least understand brake temperature issues on a Healey 
before I bagged someone. Or a supplier. 
Just my opinion. 
Never bought anything from Moss, no financial interest, yaddah yaddah. 
But based on this disclosure, I personally think they are the type of 
supplier I think we need in the game. 
Even for you guys who don't understand anything about your car. 
Seriously. WTF. 
If you think I'm over reacting, then pull out your master cylinder, 
and give it to a testing house and put YOUR master cylinder through 
the same test. 
I'd bet yours fails too. 
Go on. Test it. At 3,000 PSI. 
Read the document. 
Chris 


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On 16/09/2011, at 4:27 PM, "Don Newman" <dnewman2 at pacbell.net> wrote: 

> You got it on both counts. 
> 
> Den 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: healeys-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:healeys- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] 
> On Behalf Of Bob Spidell 
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:59 PM 
> To: Jack Feldman 
> Cc: healeys at autox.team.net 
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Moss brake recall 
> 
> re: "Who was it that said "Trust, but verify." 
> 
> Ronald Reagan, I believe (stakes were higher, too). 
> 
> Bob 
> 
> 
> On 9/15/2011 4:45 PM, Jack Feldman wrote: 
>> Seems Moss misses something. I can understand the cost of "incoming 
>> inspection," but any supplier, especially one that sells parts 
>> critical to safety, should be testing samples from lots before they 
>> go 
>> on sale. The factory should be testing as they manufacture, Who was 
>> it 
>> that said "Trust, but verify." That goes double in manufacturing. 
>> 
>> My first High School summer job was at Motorola in their incoming 
>> inspection department. We tested a statistical sample of incoming 
>> components used in their products. As a Product Manger of terminals 
>> for Teletype Corp., a sample of all our products underwent inspection 
>> before being shipped. We knew that zero defects was a myth, but still 
>> had a reputation to uphold so we increased the statistical sample of 
>> our product beyond industry standards.. 
>> 
>> Someone is not doing their job.