[Fot] SPAM Re: Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

Wed Feb 21 12:20:20 MST 2024

AFFF is very caustic and is used on navy ships to smother fires in engineering spaces.  Not really suitable for cars if you want to reuse the car.  It’s a mess to clean up.

     Hank (33 years in Navy – served on 7 ships)

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Not to mention the potential for firefighter cancer claims, and worker's comp lawsuits.

John

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:03:08 +0000 (UTC), vfracing--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Another word to the wise:

Some of the two-pull systems use AFFF.  This is a good fire fighting agent, but by no means the only one.  AFFF contains PFAS, which is a man-made family of chemicals coming under increasing scrutiny for causing health issues.  If you use this and dispose of it improperly it could come back to bite you.  Fighting a fire with AFFF is costing our Town hundreds of thousands of dollars in tracking contamination plumes and treating the wells in affected homes.

See Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and Illnesses <https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/> 

 <https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/> Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and Illnesses

 <https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/> Aqueous film forming foam (AFFF) is a fire suppressant used to fight flammable liquid fires. Toxic chemicals in ...

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 05:39:57 PM EST, Mordy Dunst <gasket.works at gte.net <mailto:gasket.works at gte.net> > wrote:

Im with Ken… 

Mordy

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On Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 1:49 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?  Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project.  Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times.  So what is the alternative, buy a new system?  Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma.  Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.

We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is.  Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well.  No one wants to be unsafe, I don’t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.

Ken

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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
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Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup

Advanced warning:

The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG.  Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car.  Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years.  Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)

For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.

Regards,

Phil Gott

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