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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>AFFF is very caustic and is used on navy ships to smother fires in engineering spaces. Not really suitable for cars if you want to reuse the car. It’s a mess to clean up.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> Hank (33 years in Navy – served on 7 ships)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>R. John Lye via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 21, 2024 10:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> vfracing@aol.com; fot@autox.team.net; joealexandervintage@gmail.com; kknight@klaenv.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] *****SPAM***** Re: Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Not to mention the potential for firefighter cancer claims, and worker's comp lawsuits.<br><br>John<br><br> <br><br>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:03:08 +0000 (UTC), vfracing--- via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Another word to the wise:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Some of the two-pull systems use AFFF. This is a good fire fighting agent, but by no means the only one. AFFF contains PFAS, which is a man-made family of chemicals coming under increasing scrutiny for causing health issues. If you use this and dispose of it improperly it could come back to bite you. Fighting a fire with AFFF is costing our Town hundreds of thousands of dollars in tracking contamination plumes and treating the wells in affected homes.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>See <a href="https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/" target="_blank">Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and Illnesses</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ydp9267b53cenhancr_card_9353465361"><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='max-width:300.0pt'><tr><td width=400 style='width:300.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='max-width:300.0pt;border:solid #E0E4E9 1.0pt'><tr style='height:105.0pt'><td valign=top style='border:none;background:black;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:105.0pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:11.25pt 0in 0in 11.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:11.25pt 11.25pt 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td style='border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;border-radius:0 0 0 2px'><div align=center><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='max-width:300.0pt;background:white;border:none;border-top:solid #E0E4E9 1.0pt;background-size: auto;border-radius: 0px 0px 2px 2px;background-attachment:scroll;z-index:2'><tr><td valign=top style='border:none;padding:12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 9.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="99%" style='width:99.0%;border:none;padding:9.0pt .25in 12.0pt 9.0pt;border-radius:0 0 2px 0'><h2 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:14.25pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#1D2228'><a href="https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/" target="_blank"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF) | Toxicity, Exposures and Illnesses</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></h2><p class=ydp9267b53ccard-description style='margin:0in;line-height:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#979EA8'><a href="https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/afff/" target="_blank"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>Aqueous film forming foam (AFFF) is a fire suppressant used to fight flammable liquid fires. Toxic chemicals in ...</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></div></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yahoo_quoted_8757662741"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 05:39:57 PM EST, Mordy Dunst <<a href="mailto:gasket.works@gte.net">gasket.works@gte.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=yiv8158045542><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Im with Ken… <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Mordy<br><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661" target="_blank">Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv8158045542yqt35937><p class=yiv8158045542yahoo-quoted-begin style='margin-top:0in'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#715FFA'>On Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 1:49 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <<a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id=yiv8158045542><div><div><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule? Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project. Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification could very well be a major problem in these times. So what is the alternative, buy a new system? Some of us have already committed to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around until Sonoma. Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, not to mention a potential large expense.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is. Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well. No one wants to be unsafe, I don’t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get this done is unreasonable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" target="_blank">Mail</a> for Windows<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv8158045542yqt15940><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">vfracing--- via Fot</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">FOT Triumph</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div id=yiv8158045542ydpcd388636yiv1885551611><div><div><div><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Advanced warning:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. Notably, plumbed in systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car. Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at <a href="https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf" target="_blank">https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf</a>.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Regards,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Phil Gott</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=yiv8158045542msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id=yiv8158045542yqt66407><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net" target="_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com" target="_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works@gte.net" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works@gte.net</a><br><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br><br><a href="http://www.fot-racing.com">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive">http://autox.team.net/archive</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl6n@cstone.net">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl6n@cstone.net</a><br><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>