[Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?

Sun Mar 11 18:55:42 MDT 2018

Amici...

How many of you guys remember Charlie Gibson?  He was one hell of a racer, and also a partner in SASCO MOTORSPORTS (Racing Tires).  He was killed in a regrettable work place accident when he was returning one of the big SASCO semi-trailer rigs from an event, to their shop at VIR.  He was all alone, and there was a 'brake issue.  When he disconnected the trailer, it rolled back over on him and killed him.  SAD, Sad, sad!  But I bring him up because back in the 1980s he was an avid vintage racer, and always brought a race car with him, which he raced at events he sold tires at.  Anyway, racing tires was his business. Super nice guy.  Like all of us, he had opinions, and he shared them.  He said vintage race cars ought to be racing on tall, skinny tires.  He did not seem to be hung up on compounds.  His hang up was profile.  He said our cars should not run tires less than 70 profile. The VSCDA agreed with that, and for our group...your tires had to be no less than 70 profile.  I can't remember if there was a list of approved tires, but I do know Dunlop "Gumballs" were a no-no.  They were made for a while, were almost as sticky as they were expensive.  Early on...I had heard about them...but could not afford them.  Pity.  Dunlop tires look SUPER on a TR.

Bill Dentinger

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From: Charly via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?

If you watch enough Goodwood Revival race videos, you realize they are running on the skinniest tires and probably hardest compound and they put on quite a show.  But the race organizer demands period correct!Charly MitchelTR6 #44On Sun 11/03/18 12:57 PM , Tony Drews via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent:> Some of the most fun I've had driving was on skinny Dunlops.  Major> drift, big slip angles, what a hoot.  If we could get everyone to run> that kind of thing it would be neat.  I don't think that's possible> in the context of running within mixed marque groups though. > > I do think that tire technology is why we need Southwick rear axles> to begin with.> Tony> On 3/11/2018 10:51 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote:> Henry you not only get it, but also touch on one of the main issues.> Yes tire technology has allowed these cars to go a lot faster than> was ever intended.> They get faster and more stuff breaks; fix one thing and then the> next weak-link fails.> At what point does it end?> Rack & pinion steering, tubular adjustable front suspension, light> brake calipers, non-triumph gearboxes, wide rims, big-bore engines,> the latest greatest big-$$ rubber, etc, etc, etc; some folks are> willing and can afford to take it to the limit, some aren't/cant> afford it, especially with trying to stay within some set of rules.> That's why tires are really the biggest equalizer, as difficult as it> may be to control nowadays; we really need to level the field.> The other point is that we have to remember that we're VINTAGE racing> these cars, not doing ongoing development programs for GT cars...> FWIW> Safety FasTR!> Glen> -----Original Message-----> From: yellow04 via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Mar 11, 2018 11:02 am> Subject: Re: [Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?> As the person who innocently started this thread on the subject of> the > readily available reproduction steel 16P calipers, a part I can't > construe how anybody could call a cheater part, I'll add my two> cents...> Tire technology moved Vintage Racing to a place that we can't go back> > from. Like it or not, in order to keep us safe at the speeds these> new > tires allow us to go, you need to get with the program or take your > chances. Even the venerable Hoosier Vintage TD bias ply tire can be > really fast in the right hands and we have proof many cars lost> wheels > running Vintage TD's. Safety enhancements were needed, and the gray> area > between whats a safety enhancement and a speed enhancement will> always > be the heart of the debate.> As I am now taking care of Old Blue, Bill Dentinger's TR3, a car that> > has been considered the most vintage correct TR3 running in the> States, > this is an issue I have personally been grappling with. It became > crystal clear to me that to be comfortable running the car at any> level, > there were some things they did "back in the day" that just don't cut> it > any more. Updating some bits to make sure all the wheels stay on the> car > is just common sense. Taking it beyond that, there lies the> conundrum... > For what it's worth, under my watch Old Blue will run worm and peg > steering, 87mm bore, a Triumph gearbox, and as many of Bill's> original > Triumph Competition Dept. bits as I can. Good fun.> Henry> On 2018-03-10 02:18, Tony Drews via Fot wrote:> > Not sure how a brake question turned into the annual "what is> vintage"> > debate - seems late in the season for it this time...> > > _______________________________________________> http://www.fot-racing.com [2]> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3]> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4]> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5]> Unsubscribe/Manage:> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com [6]> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net> http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums:> http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage:> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com   > > > Links:> ------> [2] http://www.fot-racing.com> [3] http://www.team.net/donate.html> [4] http://www.team.net/archive> [5] http://www.team.net/forums> [6] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com> > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/archiveForums: http://www.team.net/forumsUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin@aol.com
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