[Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?

[Terry Stetler]

I totally agree with Glen and Tony here.  The skinny, hard Dunlops would be great if it were the spec tire for all production classes.

Sadly, the technological genie is out of the bottle, and once that happens, putting him (or her) back in that bottle is essentially impossible.

Terry Stetler.

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 3:57:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?


Some of the most fun I've had driving was on skinny Dunlops.  Major drift, big slip angles, what a hoot.  If we could get everyone to run that kind of thing it would be neat.  I don't think that's possible in the context of running within mixed marque groups though.

I do think that tire technology is why we need Southwick rear axles to begin with.

Tony

On 3/11/2018 10:51 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote:
Henry you not only get it, but also touch on one of the main issues.
Yes tire technology has allowed these cars to go a lot faster than was ever intended.
They get faster and more stuff breaks; fix one thing and then the next weak-link fails.
At what point does it end?
Rack & pinion steering, tubular adjustable front suspension, light brake calipers, non-triumph gearboxes, wide rims, big-bore engines, the latest greatest big-$$ rubber, etc, etc, etc; some folks are willing and can afford to take it to the limit, some aren't/cant afford it, especially with trying to stay within some set of rules.
That's why tires are really the biggest equalizer, as difficult as it may be to control nowadays; we really need to level the field.
The other point is that we have to remember that we're VINTAGE racing these cars, not doing ongoing development programs for GT cars...
FWIW
Safety FasTR!
Glen





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Subject: Re: [Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?

As the person who innocently started this thread on the subject of the
readily available reproduction steel 16P calipers, a part I can't
construe how anybody could call a cheater part, I'll add my two cents...

Tire technology moved Vintage Racing to a place that we can't go back
from. Like it or not, in order to keep us safe at the speeds these new
tires allow us to go, you need to get with the program or take your
chances. Even the venerable Hoosier Vintage TD bias ply tire can be
really fast in the right hands and we have proof many cars lost wheels
running Vintage TD's. Safety enhancements were needed, and the gray area
between whats a safety enhancement and a speed enhancement will always
be the heart of the debate.

As I am now taking care of Old Blue, Bill Dentinger's TR3, a car that
has been considered the most vintage correct TR3 running in the States,
this is an issue I have personally been grappling with. It became
crystal clear to me that to be comfortable running the car at any level,
there were some things they did "back in the day" that just don't cut it
any more. Updating some bits to make sure all the wheels stay on the car
is just common sense. Taking it beyond that, there lies the conundrum...
For what it's worth, under my watch Old Blue will run worm and peg
steering, 87mm bore, a Triumph gearbox, and as many of Bill's original
Triumph Competition Dept. bits as I can. Good fun.

Henry

On 2018-03-10 02:18, Tony Drews via Fot wrote:

> Not sure how a brake question turned into the annual "what is vintage"
> debate - seems late in the season for it this time...
>
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