[Fot] What makes a Triumph a Triumph

Fri Jan 22 07:48:52 MST 2016

Thank you for that Mike. That has always been my interpretation also.

*Never be beaten by equipment.*

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Rich Roenigk <rroenigk at aol.com> wrote:

> Make it a double !!!
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> *From:* michael [mailto:mlcooknj at msn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 5:38 PM
> *To:* John Hasty; 'Gertjan van de Klashorst'; 'Bob Bownes -Seiri'; 'John
> Styduhar'
> *Cc:* 'J Roenigk'; fot at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* RE: [Fot] What makes a Triumph a Triumph
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> Some day you folks will finally understand that *the car engine came
> first!* The Massey-Ferguson tractor was a profit-making side issue for
> Standard-Triumph. The tractor engine was adapted from the engine in the
> Standard Vanguard. The Vanguard engine was also adapted for the Triumph
> 1800 and Renown and later for the TR.
>
> As for what's a Triumph? If the company built it and put a Triumph badge
> on it it's a Triumph. Thus the Honda Ballade became the Acclaim.
>
> If it has a Triumph chassis and drivetrain that was supplied by the
> company to an authorized producer, it's a Triumph. Thus the Triumph Italia.
>
> If it uses components supplied by Standard-Triumph like engine, suspension
> bits, etc., but not chassis and body parts, it's not a Triumph. The Morgan,
> Peerless, Doretti, etc., are very different cars and deserve their own
> identity.
>
> There! Got that off my chest! Time for a cocktail!
>
> Mike Cook
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> From: jhasty at mhc-law.com
> To: klokhuis67 at t-online.de; bownes at seiri.com; johnstydo at gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 16:38:24 +0000
> CC: rroenigk at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] What makes a Triumph a Triumph
>
> Don’t forget the Massey-Ferguson Tractor, the progenitor of all things
> Triumph!
>
>
>
> *From:* Gertjan van de Klashorst [mailto:klokhuis67 at t-online.de]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 09, 2015 11:24 AM
> *To:* 'Bob Bownes -Seiri'; 'John Styduhar'
> *Cc:* John Hasty; 'J Roenigk'; 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'
> *Subject:* What makes a Triumph a Triumph
>
>
>
> Good question. Saab used engines produced by Triumph, Morgan used Triumph
> engines as did some Peerless and Warwick and Doretti, also Italia. Now the
> last four are seen at the TR International in Malvern and seen as Triumph
> derivatives. I have never heard anybody calling Saab and Morgan Triumph
> derivatives.
>
>
>
> There must be more that have used Triumph parts for their cars. Formula
> One Lotus was using a Triumph suspension part, they called the
> triumph-link. A South African single seater, called Protea,  is using
> Triumph engine and gear box. The Devin could be equipped with TR engine,
> but with many others as well.
>
> So anybody can define where it starts and ends?
>
>
>
> Gert
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>
>
> *Van:* Bob Bownes -Seiri [mailto:bownes at seiri.com]
> *Verzonden:* 09 December 2015 16:04
> *Aan:* John Styduhar
> *CC:* John Hasty; J Roenigk; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph; klokhuis67
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs
>
>
>
> When it is a TVR? ;)
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2015, at 13:44, John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's interesting information John. I wonder how many other TR-sourced
> cars were built.  When is a Triumph a Triumph??
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:28 PM, John Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:
>
> John…..I may be wrong, but I think Triumph only sold mechanicals to
> Vignale who built and sold the Italia….
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Pierce,
> Russell
> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2015 1:22 PM
> *To:* John Styduhar; klokhuis67; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph
>
>
> *Cc:* J Roenigk
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs
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> He parker it next to my car at the car show during the K cup. Can’t
> remember his name but he is good friends with Ronnie Babbitt. I’m sure he
> told me he actually has two and this was not the better one.
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> *From:* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *John
> Styduhar
> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2015 11:12 AM
> *To:* klokhuis67; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph
> *Cc:* J Roenigk
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs
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> I saw a beautiful red Italia at the Kastner Cup this year at Summit Point.
> Can't remember who the owner was. I think it is the most beautiful car that
> Triumph made.
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> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:56 AM, klokhuis67 <klokhuis67 at t-online.de>
> wrote:
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> Certainly interested in the info. From what I know is that the last 30
> TRFs, 501-530 were used for Italia's.
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> I also have a link to the Italia Registrar of the UK TR Register.
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> Thanks
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> Best regards,
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> Gertjan van de Klashorst
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> Sent from my Samsung tablet
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> Rich Roenigk <rroenigk at aol.com> wrote:
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> Kurt….not aware that happened….let’s see what Gert says.
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> Thx
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>
> Rich
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> *From:* Kurt Oblinger [mailto:koblinger at verizon.net]
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:51 PM
> *To:* John Styduhar; gertjan van de klashorst; J Roenigk
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs
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>
> I have an Italia 2000 built on a TR3B (TSF) chassis. Would you like that
> info?
>
> Thanks,
> Kurt O.
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> On 11/29/2015 5:37 PM, John Styduhar wrote:
>
> Amici,
>
> If any owner of a TR3B is interested in including their car in a register
> of remaining TR3Bs and receive a numbered certificate of confirmation,
> please forward the following information to Gert J. van de Klashorst,
> registrar:
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>
>
> Titled Date-
>
> Commission Number-
>
> Body Serial Number-
>
> Engine Number-
>
> Rear Axle Serial Number-
>
> Gearbox Serial Number-
>
> Current owner's name, address, and contact information-
>
> Owned since date-
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> Car history if known-
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> Current photo-
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> Gert's email address is       klokhuis67 at t-online.de
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