[Fot] Fwd: Re: Towing (New F-150)

Mon Jul 27 11:06:48 MDT 2015

I have been silently watching this interesting discussion. I too would encourage looking at diesel power. The fuel efficiency is superior to gasoline as well as the torque to climb grades. 
My '93 Dodge Ram D 250 just required a new turbo at 388,000 miles. It got a rebuilt injector pump and injectors at 280,000. Other than that nothing but careful maintenance. After the new turbo it was run on a rolling road dyno. It puts out 140 HP which is about 15 above stock. That doesn't sound like much but, the torque is 404 lbs ft. Towing my gooseneck 24 ft trailer with a loaded weight of 7000 lbs, it regularly gives me 15 MPG. Of course it is nearly a classic to match my cars, I just wanted to point out the advantages of a diesel.
Ken Suhre
       From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
 To: "FOT at autox.team.net" <FOT at autox.team.net> 
 Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:08 AM
 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Towing (New F-150)

  I meant to send this to the list, not just Marcel.  I'm a big believer in diesel technology, since it is much more efficient than gasoline and now it is cleaner too.  Most Americans don't realize that Europe is 40 to 50 percent diesel, while they are almost nonexistent in the US, except for big pickups.  The small diesels (< 2.0L) just don't make it here, partly because the companies don't believe Americans would buy anything with less than 100hp. We used to think that was decent power. Currently, if  you have a small diesel it is most likely German. Hopefully, this will change in the next few years.
  - Larry

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| Subject:  | Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150) |
| Date:  | Sun, 26 Jul 2015 14:57:46 -0500 |
| From:  | Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com> |
| To:  | Marcel Van Mulders <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> |

 Marcel, what you don't realize is that diesels are almost nonexistent over here in anything smaller than a 3/4 ton (F-250 etc.).  There is no diesel option in smaller American vehicles that will tow a car.  I believe it is because our emission standards are much more stringent (on CO, unburned HC, NOx and soot). I understand Dodge will soon fill that gap with a 3.0 L V-6 made by Fiat.  The only diesel options on vehicles that size are German SUVs which are some of the cleanest engines around.  I now tow my 18 foot enclosed trailer (about 5,000 lb) with a BMW X5 3.0L diesel.  Yes, it was about $60K as well.  It gets around 14 mpg while towing, which is 40 to 50 percent better than my old 5.0L Ford Triton V8 and with all that torque and all the gears it tows better as well.  My wife has a newer BMW 5 series diesel sedan that gets over 35 mpg on the highway.  The quietness and driveability of these new diesels is astonishing.
  - Larry

 On 7/26/2015 10:04 AM, Marcel Van Mulders wrote:

 #yiv0339006146 .yiv0339006146hmmessage P {PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;}#yiv0339006146 BODY.yiv0339006146hmmessage {FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;} Strange how (towing) car habits are different in the USA and Europe. You are wodering if a 5 litre turbo V8 diesel will be strong enough, maybe it should  be a 6.2 or 6.7 litre. In Europe, most  towing cars have a 2 litre  4 cyl engine, or even as small as a 1.4 litre.The biggest turbodiesel  Ford Europe is offering, has just a 2 litre engine. Idem for Citroen, Renault and Volkswagen(with the exception of the Touareg). In Europe you can see a lot of 1600cc turbodiesels  towing a caravan. A BMW 525d has a 2 litre,  Mercedes  E200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2.1 litre 4cyl engine.BMW and Mercedes buyers can still get a 3 litre turbodiesel, but they rarely do. Fuel is expensive in Europe and car taxes are rising exponentially with the fuel consumption. You in the USA are lucky to be able to drive full size cars with full size engines. In Europe, the engines get smaller and smaller. Almost all VW Golfs are sold with a tiny 1.2 litre or 1.4 litre engine. In Europe a 1.6 litre is  called a big engine in a VW Golf. Maybe in the USA 1.6 litre can do in a V-Twin bike, but only just? Marcel.      Van: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Namens marty
 Verzonden: vrijdag 24 juli 2015 18:16
 Aan: FOT
 Onderwerp: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)

   I have been checking out the new F-150's a bit. According to the specs, with the max-tow package they are within a few pounds of the tow capacity of the F-250's.  Since I only heavy tow a few times a year the gas savings throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250 would be substantial as I put on about 250 miles per week just going to work and back. Is anybody on the list towing any weight with one of these new ones? How’s is it working  out for you?   Marty  

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