[Fot] Fwd: Re: Towing (New F-150)

[Larry Young]

I meant to send this to the list, not just Marcel.  I'm a big believer 
in diesel technology, since it is much more efficient than gasoline and 
now it is cleaner too.  Most Americans don't realize that Europe is 40 
to 50 percent diesel, while they are almost nonexistent in the US, 
except for big pickups.  The small diesels (< 2.0L) just don't make it 
here, partly because the companies don't believe Americans would buy 
anything with less than 100hp. We used to think that was decent power. 
Currently, if  you have a small diesel it is most likely German. 
Hopefully, this will change in the next few years.
  - Larry

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Subject: 	Re: [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
Date: 	Sun, 26 Jul 2015 14:57:46 -0500
From: 	Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: 	Marcel Van Mulders <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>


Marcel, what you don't realize is that diesels are almost nonexistent 
over here in anything smaller than a 3/4 ton (F-250 etc.).  There is no 
diesel option in smaller American vehicles that will tow a car.  I 
believe it is because our emission standards are much more stringent (on 
CO, unburned HC, NOx and soot). I understand Dodge will soon fill that 
gap with a 3.0 L V-6 made by Fiat.  The only diesel options on vehicles 
that size are German SUVs which are some of the cleanest engines 
around.  I now tow my 18 foot enclosed trailer (about 5,000 lb) with a 
BMW X5 3.0L diesel.  Yes, it was about $60K as well.  It gets around 14 
mpg while towing, which is 40 to 50 percent better than my old 5.0L Ford 
Triton V8 and with all that torque and all the gears it tows better as 
well.  My wife has a newer BMW 5 series diesel sedan that gets over 35 
mpg on the highway.  The quietness and driveability of these new diesels 
is astonishing.
  - Larry

On 7/26/2015 10:04 AM, Marcel Van Mulders wrote:
> Strange how (towing) car habits are different in the USA and 
> Europe. You are wodering if a 5 litre turbo V8 diesel will be strong 
> enough, maybe it should  be a 6.2 or 6.7 litre. In Europe, 
> most  towing cars have a 2 litre  4 cyl engine, or even as small as 
> a 1.4 litre.The biggest turbodiesel  Ford Europe is offering, has just 
> a 2 litre engine. Idem for Citroen, Renault and Volkswagen(with the 
> exception of the Touareg). In Europe you can see a lot of 1600cc 
> turbodiesels  towing a caravan. A BMW 525d has a 2 litre,  Mercedes  
> E200D, 220D and 250D all have a 2.1 litre 4cyl engine.BMW and Mercedes 
> buyers can still get a 3 litre turbodiesel, but they rarely do. Fuel 
> is expensive in Europe and car taxes are rising exponentially with the 
> fuel consumption. You in the USA are lucky to be able to drive full 
> size cars with full size engines. In Europe, the engines get smaller 
> and smaller. Almost all VW Golfs are sold with a tiny 1.2 litre or 1.4 
> litre engine. In Europe a 1.6 litre is  called a big engine in a VW 
> Golf. Maybe in the USA 1.6 litre can do in a V-Twin bike, but only just?
> Marcel.
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> *Van:* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *Namens *marty
> *Verzonden:* vrijdag 24 juli 2015 18:16
> *Aan:* FOT
> *Onderwerp:* [Fot] Towing (New F-150)
>
> I have been checking out the new F-150's a bit. According to the 
> specs, with the max-tow package they are within a few pounds of the 
> tow capacity of the F-250's.Since I only heavy tow a few times a year 
> the gas savings throughout the rest of the year compared to the F-250 
> would be substantial as I put on about 250 miles per week just going 
> to work and back. Is anybody on the list towing any weight with one of 
> these new ones? How’s is it working out for you?
>
> Marty
>
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