[Fot] What makes a Triumph a Triumph

Fri Dec 11 19:53:14 MST 2015

Don't forget the TVR 2500 with the TR6 Engine in it!

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From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2015 9:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] What makes a Triumph a Triumph

Maybe being called a Triumph derivative requires using the entire running gear from a Triumph, as provided by Triumph.  Or perhaps it had to do with using Triumph’s new car distribution network?  

Morgans used the Standard Vanguard and TR engines, but not frames, axles or gearboxes, and only on the 1951-1968 Plus 4 models.  

(Morgan has never made their own engines, and they have had a more or less continuous relationship with Ford from 1934 to present.  Ford (and perhaps Rover as well) probably provided more engines to Morgan than Triumph ever did.)

Duncan

On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Gertjan van de Klashorst <klokhuis67 at t-online.de> wrote:

Good question. Saab used engines produced by Triumph, Morgan used Triumph engines as did some Peerless and Warwick and Doretti, also Italia. Now the last four are seen at the TR International in Malvern and seen as Triumph derivatives. I have never heard anybody calling Saab and Morgan Triumph derivatives. 

There must be more that have used Triumph parts for their cars. Formula One Lotus was using a Triumph suspension part, they called the triumph-link. A South African single seater, called Protea,  is using Triumph engine and gear box. The Devin could be equipped with TR engine, but with many others as well.
So anybody can define where it starts and ends?

Gert

Van: Bob Bownes -Seiri [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] 
Verzonden: 09 December 2015 16:04
Aan: John Styduhar
CC: John Hasty; J Roenigk; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph; klokhuis67
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs

When it is a TVR? ;)

On Nov 30, 2015, at 13:44, John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com> wrote:

That's interesting information John. I wonder how many other TR-sourced cars were built.  When is a Triumph a Triumph??

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:28 PM, John Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:

John…..I may be wrong, but I think Triumph only sold mechanicals to Vignale who built and sold the Italia….

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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs

He parker it next to my car at the car show during the K cup. Can’t remember his name but he is good friends with Ronnie Babbitt. I’m sure he told me he actually has two and this was not the better one. 

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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Styduhar
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:12 AM
To: klokhuis67; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph
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Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs

I saw a beautiful red Italia at the Kastner Cup this year at Summit Point. Can't remember who the owner was. I think it is the most beautiful car that Triumph made. 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:56 AM, klokhuis67 <klokhuis67 at t-online.de> wrote:

Certainly interested in the info. From what I know is that the last 30 TRFs, 501-530 were used for Italia's.

I also have a link to the Italia Registrar of the UK TR Register.

Thanks

Best regards,

Gertjan van de Klashorst

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Rich Roenigk <rroenigk at aol.com> wrote:

Kurt….not aware that happened….let’s see what Gert says.

Thx

Rich

From: Kurt Oblinger [mailto:koblinger at verizon.net] 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:51 PM
To: John Styduhar; gertjan van de klashorst; J Roenigk
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs

I have an Italia 2000 built on a TR3B (TSF) chassis. Would you like that info?

Thanks,
Kurt O.

On 11/29/2015 5:37 PM, John Styduhar wrote:

Amici,

If any owner of a TR3B is interested in including their car in a register of remaining TR3Bs and receive a numbered certificate of confirmation, please forward the following information to Gert J. van de Klashorst, registrar:  

Titled Date- 

Commission Number-

Body Serial Number-

Engine Number-

Rear Axle Serial Number-

Gearbox Serial Number-

Current owner's name, address, and contact information-

Owned since date-

Car history if known-

Current photo-

Gert's email address is       klokhuis67 at t-online.de

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