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From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com><br>
To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net><br>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] What makes a Triumph a Triumph<br>
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="aolReplacedBody">Maybe being called a Triumph derivative requires using the entire running gear from a Triumph, as provided by Triumph. Or perhaps it had to do with using Triumph’s new car distribution network?
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Good question. Saab used engines produced by Triumph, Morgan used Triumph engines as did some Peerless and Warwick and Doretti, also Italia. Now the last four are seen at the TR International in Malvern and seen as Triumph derivatives. I have never heard anybody calling Saab and Morgan Triumph derivatives.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">There must be more that have used Triumph parts for their cars. Formula One Lotus was using a Triumph suspension part, they called the triumph-link. A South African single seater, called Protea, is using Triumph engine and gear box. The Devin could be equipped with TR engine, but with many others as well.</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Van:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bob Bownes -Seiri [<a style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="" target="_blank" removedlink__27870f8c-67b9-4955-a3d3-47a3b731d4ae__href="mailto:bownes@seiri.com">mailto:bownes@seiri.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Verzonden:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>09 December 2015 16:04<br class=""><b class="">Aan:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>John Styduhar<br class=""><b class="">CC:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>John Hasty; J Roenigk; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph; klokhuis67<br class=""><b class="">Onderwerp:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Fot [mailto:<a target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="" removedlink__27870f8c-67b9-4955-a3d3-47a3b731d4ae__href="mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Pierce, Russell<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, November 30, 2015 1:22 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>John Styduhar; klokhuis67; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph</span><span lang="EN-US" class=""></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I have an Italia 2000 built on a TR3B (TSF) chassis. Would you like that info?<br class=""><br class="">Thanks,<br class="">Kurt O.<br class=""><br class="">On 11/29/2015 5:37 PM, John Styduhar wrote:</span></div>
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