[Fot] [SPAM] RE: OT- F1 at Spa online petition

Thu Sep 11 11:00:35 MDT 2008

"Legal passing is fine, but gaining an advantage
by running off the course is what is despicable."

Yes! We are in complete agreement on that!
The point of the matter is that Hamilton did gain an advantage 
(intentional or otherwise) in cutting the chicane, & he promptly gave 
up his position. If the stewards didn't agree that what he did was 
proper, then they should have taken action at the time.
Like the man told me once, we pay for the entire racetrack so we should 
get our moneys worth, and use all of it, and I have to admit that it 
feels good to put that inside wheel up on the berm when the weight is 
transferred to the outside... but I seriously doubt that Hamilton 
intentionally went up on a WET PAINTED berm, thinking that he was gonna 
pull off a hero move & make it stick.
Hopefully we can just agree to disagree on this one, the world would be 
very boring if we all thought the same...
Glen

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
To: 'Bill Babcock' <Billb at bnj.com>
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Sent: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:41 pm
Subject: RE: [SPAM]  RE: [Fot] OT-  F1 at Spa online petition

Legal passing is fine, but gaining an advantage
by running off the course is what is despicable.  Yes, I agree that 
most circuits
limit passing in F1 races but that needs to
be addressed in the configuration of the
circuits themselves. 

Far be20it
for me to determine
how to improve the sport
but the
way I can see it, the stewards
got it
right in this
case.

Joe

From: Bill Babcock
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Sent:
Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:24 AM

To: Joe Curry

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Re: [SPAM] RE: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online petition

Importance:
Low

Holy smokes, is that ever a lousy idea. F1 has enough trouble having 
some real racing. Would you really
race at a track
that
penalized your use of the kerbs by
ripping off your suspension. Most tracks use FIA kerbing, which is the 
legitimate name of the
alligator bumps. You use them in any turn
that
benefits from them--even
at the
club level. Walls, Armco, and overly aggressive curbs eliminate passing 
opportunities. Racing is passing. 

On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:09 AM,
Joe Curry wrote:

I think that the kerbs (curbs) should be made
more penal in those areas because they are supposed to be there to 
keep the cars within the confines of the track.  If they raised the 
level of the kerbs, people would not be
so aggressive in trying to pass knowing that if they don’t pull
itA
0off, they will lose their suspension.

Joe

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Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:58 AM

To: Bill Babcock

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Subject: Re: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa
online petition

Incidentally, I don't think Kimi was wrong to 
shove Hamilton off the track in the chicane either. In a competition 
at that level
you are not owed racing room, you have to take it. If Alonso had been 
in Kimi's
shoes Hamilton would have lost his
right front wheel.

On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:50
AM, Bill Babcock wrote:

Great race, torturous ending. I also consider Hamilton's
moves to be perfectly proper.

I AM a Kimi fan, he's a great driver,
I was cheering him on while he passed Hamilton at first and then pulled 
out a
lead,  and I was in agony when he first lost the lead and then hit
 the 
wall. But Hamilton's
pass was squeaky clean. I can't see
how the FIA could even countenance a penalty. 
 It was spectacular driving, well within the cut and thrust of
competition and in full compliance with the rules of surrendering a
gain made off track. I believe the FIA has added an element of
over-regulation
and fundamental
unfairness to the entire F1 scene. I don't care
if Max Mosely dresses up like Eva Braun and screws goats, but his
leadership of the FIA has damaged the sport by
moving victory
from the driver's seat to the steward's fat ass.
For that I'd
support giving him the boot. 

On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:13
AM, fubog1 at aol.com wrote:

Well certainly there are those who hold that opinion,
not least of
all 

the
FIA... but... the facts remain that he
DID give up the position to 

Kimi, I don't think there is a specified distance for the lead, and 

this
was confirmed with
both the team & race officials at the time.

I watched the race, and the replay of the last 3
laps at least a
dozen 

times,
and I can't see how he put Kimi
out.
Also20consider the dry tires 

& wet track conditions.

Personaly I thought that it was
a fine example of driving since he was 

well alongside Kimi when he went off; the alternative being that he 

would surely have taken both of them out of the race, had he not gone 

off course.

I also understand that there are some who just don't favor 

Hamilton/McClaren,
evidenced by some of the politics and "soap opera" 

issues of late...

I respect your opinion

Thank you!

Glen

-----Original Message-----

From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>

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Sent:
Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:47 am

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Re: [Fot]
OT-  F1 at Spa online petition

I will NOT sign that petition.  The way I saw the situation, while 

Hamilton

did back off a bit and allow Kimi to get back
in front,
he did not back 

off

enough to give up his inertia and maintained it long
enough to 

immediately

get back in the lead.

In my humble opinion, the penalty is just.  His Rookie actions caused 

Kimi

to
crash out and that does
nothing to erase that outcome.

I would have black flagged Hamilton and not even
allowed him to claim 

3rd0D

place.  That would have been justice in my opinion.

Joe C.

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11, 2008 4:42 AM

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OT- F1 at Spa online petition

I realize that a
lot of you were busy last Sunday,
and probably didn't

catch the Spa race, and on-line petitions have questionable value, but

this
is one that may
be worthy...

Last night there were approx 15,000, this morning nearly 50,000. There

are a lot of pissed off F1 fans!

http://www.petitiononline.com/belgp08/petition.html

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