[Fot] gasoline comparison

[robert bownes]

Well the view from my side of the tracks is a bit different, yet agrees with
most of you.

I have a 2006 Chevy truck. It is an E85 Flex Fuel vehicle designed to run on
85% ethanol. The simple facts as I have discovered them:


2008/9/14 Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com>

>  As I recall from another article, the ethanol is mixed at the
> distributors, more or less at the end of the pipeline.  I think it had
> something to do with the ethanol not being good in the pipeline.  Plus, I
> think most of the ethanol plants are near the corn (upper midwest and great
> plains states) and it wouldn't seem to make sense to ship it to the refiners
> and then back north and east.  It has been a pretty large expense for the
> distributors to store and mix the ethanol as I understand.
>
> Tim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bill Babcock <Billb at bnj.com>
> *To:* Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> *Cc:* britbits at netzero.com ; fot at autox.team.net
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 14, 2008 11:24 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] gasoline comparison
>
> And there's an ethanol shortage, that won't go away for a long time.
>  On Sep 14, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Tim Murphy wrote:
>
>  As of September 1, 2008 all gasoline must have 10% ethanol by Federal
> mandate.  So I was told by a Mobil distributor.  As always, a really well
> thought out Federal mandate.  At the same time they raise the CAFE
> standards
> they lower the MPG by mandating ethanol.  There was also a bill in Congress
>
> to increase the mandated percentage of ethanol.  Guess which lobbying group
>
> was pushing that bill?
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim" <britbits at netzero.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] gasoline comparison
>
>
> When MBTE was first proposed as an additive the local Triumph club
>
> president
>
> did a bit of investigation.. according to what he'd come up with the MBTE
>
> mix was designed for catalyst equipped cars... for non-catalyst equipped
>
> cars (the bulk of the Triumphs) the incompletely burned emissions were
>
> actually worse for the environment.
>
>
> Just another example of poorly researched "science" being foisted on the
>
> American public.  Don't get me started on the R-12 vs R-134 bs.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Jim
>
> Dallas
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net<fot-bounces at autox.team.net>]
> On
>
> Behalf Of Randall
>
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:02 PM
>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] gasoline comparison
>
>
>
>  Helps the emissions (as the MTBE was supposed to do also!).
>
>
> Don't kid yourself.  For anything made in the last 20 years or so, it does
>
> absolutely nothing for emissions, as the computer just tweaks the mixture
>
> richer to compensate for the "oxygenated" fuel.
>
>
> For most cars made before 1970 or so, it does make them run leaner, which
>
> does reduce tailpipe emissions.
>
>
> But that leaves an awful lot of cars in between with fixed mixtures that
>
> were already tuned lean running on pure gasoline.  And it only takes one
>
> of
>
> them pushed into lean misfire under cruise conditions, to emit more
>
> pollution than the oxygenate could reduce in hundreds of pre-computer
>
> cars.
>
> Of course eventually they'll burn up the valves and so on, but you'd be
>
> surprised at the number of them still running around here.  And remember,
>
> these are the only cars where oxygenated fuel is supposed to reduce
>
> emissions at all.
>
>
> And of course for Triumphs, we just adjust the mixture to suit the fuel,
>
> so
>
> it does no good at all.
>
>
> Randall in the PRC (People's Republic of California)
>
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