[Fot] Studebaker stories
koblinger at verizon.net
koblinger at verizon.net
Thu Oct 2 16:04:10 MDT 2008
Interestingly enough, Studebaker almost became the Triumph
importer/distributor for the US. One of the prototype TR2s was even sent
over for evaluation but they couldn't come to an agreement. Soon after
Dorothy Deen and Arthur Anderson met Sir John Black and the rest is
history.
For a time, Studebaker was the importer/distributor in the US for
Mercedes-Benz.
Kurt O.
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:12 PM, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote:
Bud,
In 1953 and 54 they were either Comanders (V-8) or Champions (6 cly) in
55 they added the President and beginning in1956 they were mildly
restyled and given various Hawk names.
It's funny but a lot of TR owners are Studebaker lovers as well.
Ron Western Eagle Racing Jacobs
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Thanks Bob..for the Terrific history...I am forwarding it to my
Newsletter Group
Racer Bud
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Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:45 PM <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
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All right guys, you have done it. I am going to have to tell you my
tale of woe. Visualize this! I was attending the Swiss Auto Club
Racing Drivers School in Monza, Italy in 1956. After we attended
classes, they grouped us in classes (more like bunches) to do some
racing.
After Studebaker had merged with Packard, they built a variation of the
Hawk with the huge Packard engine of the day. What did I know of such
things? I was stuck in Europe at the time. Guess what they stuck in
the class with me, one of these monsters.
Off we went, racing our little hearts out. Me in my little TR2, the
Stude (model?) Hawk, and several more interesting pieces of iron. That
Stude would blow my doors off going down the straight and I would pass
him on the next set of curves. Back and forth we went, and I think I
finally got far enough ahead of him that he didn't catch me again.
Speaking of interesting iron. That race was my first and only
experience of running against a genuine Austin Healy S (not M, but S).
They were not many built, and the Importer for Switzerland had this one,
and it ran very well, with its cross flow head and lots of tricks.
Any ways, that is my Studebaker story.
Bob Johns
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edwardbarnard at prodigy.net <mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
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One of my favorite cars for Style was the (I think 53 stude..Golden
Hawk?..no fins...when the fins were added..they were literaly
'attached')..i saw a NASCAR Hawk in a movie theater lobby promoting a
movie which I cannot remember(mid -late 1950s)...That was one of the
cars that added to the racing bug
Racer Bud
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One of my neighborhood friends growing up was a Studebaker nut, a
passion (or perhaps a genetic trait) no doubt inherited from his dad.
They would work into the night in the carport on one or another of their
cars, droplights providing a weary glow. The cars, which as I recall
ranged from a 1950 convertible, painted red with a white top, to a sleek
Silver Hawk with a 289 and glass packs, always seemed exotic in an
atypical American sort of way. A buddy of theirs had what they referred
to as 'the Studebaker farm', which was actually a small dairy farm , the
main pasture of which was lined with over 100 Studebakers that had been
hauled in from all over the countryside and carefully placed side by
side around the perimeter, providing an endless supply of parts and
projects. Martin was a somewhat laconic fellow who carpeted his cars
with an array of carpet "chucks" gleaned from a local flooring company.
He also was the first in our group of carpoolers to drive his own car to
school. Some wild rides down narrow curving residential streets are
emblazoned in my memory. One striking characteristic of the cars was the
overdrives, activated by a little toggle switch always placed
inconspicuously under the dash. Another was their propensity for burning
oil, which meant that the dipstick became a familiar friend. Which leads
me to the point. Whether a result of unintentional poor' design or
intentional daily abuse, cans of STP were always kept in the trunks of
the cars, along with quarts of inexpensive motor oil, giving true
meaning to the term, "Studebaker Tested Products"!
STeve P. ----- Original Message -----
From: EDWARD BARNARD <mailto:edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
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Lister's: Thank you to all that answered my question about STP. A call
to their H.Q. public relations office this morning has revealed what we
should assume is the truth. The STP does stand for Scientifically
Treated Petroleum. The Wiki reference to it standing for Studebaker
Tested Products is in fact true. The company did tie their name to the
product for a short time until Andy G. took over. But, the Wiki
reference to King Richard no longer being a spokeperson for the company
is false. According to the P.R. department, they have the longest
commercial endorse in history. <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Thanks again to the list! <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
-Ed-
--- On Tue, 9/30/08, David Kettler <dkettler at tcbi.com> wrote:
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From: David Kettler <dkettler at tcbi.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
To: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>, edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:52 PM
I recall when I was a kid collecting STP stickers at gas stations.
I always understood it to be Scientifically Tested Products.
Dave Kettler
At Tuesday, 30 September 2008, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Ed:
>
> From STP's web page: STP = Scientifically Treated Petroleum--- On
Tue, 9/30/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:
> From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>Subject: [Fot] Non-
LBC group questionTo: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>Date: Tuesday,
September
30, 2008, 11:06 AM
>
> Lister's: I'm writing a magazine article about Indy roadsters
(Kurtis',
Novi', etc) and am examining the Studebaker/Packard powered cars.
In 1963 Studebaker purchased from three gentlemen a little known
company named Chemical Compounds, which had an oil additive product
they were selling from the trunks of their cars. Studebaker gave
Andy Granatelli, then head engineer and chief test driver for Studebaker
the position of CEO of the newly acquired company which he then renamed
STP. Now my question...does anyone know for certain the meaning of
STP? I am getting mixed answers from The Racing History Group. Most
say it stands for Specially Treated Petroleum, while a few are saying
it stands for Studebaker Test Products. Do any of the FOTers know
the "true" side of the story?
> BTW, later I will relate this past Saturday spent with three great
guys, Johnny Rutherford, Lloyd Ruby, and Jim McElreath, at a car
show we had.
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