[Bricklin] Resending to Team

Thu May 27 16:31:53 MDT 2010

Paul,
 I agree with the fuel pump OR maybe a small leak in a line letting the gas 
leak out. But if you don't run it for a long time the carb  will be out of 
gas no matter what.  Pumping the gas with an empty carb does NOTHING but 
kill the accelerator pump by working it dry. you foot does nothing to bring 
gas up. The first pump or two allows the choke to close if it isn't stuck 
after that it is all up to the fuel pump to fill the carb.
Try cranking the engine for about the length of time it was taking you to 
pump the engine your 75 or so times then pump it a few times and see what 
happens.
127GEORGE!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul J. Amoroso" <paul-amo at comcast.net>
To: <bricklin at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 4:26 PM
Subject: [Bricklin] Resending to Team


> Hi
>
> Thanks to all the responses.  I had to dig my car out of the junk that was 
> piled up on and around my car in the garage.
>
> In answer to Rick's questions and Scott's and Marvin's:
>
> When the pedal is first pumped, there is no discernible spray until about 
> 60 or better.  So your analysis, I follow.  The gas isn't to the carb at 
> that point.  Then after it gets there it takes a few more to have enough 
> in the carb to fire.  I don't drive my car much (has only about 17K 
> original miles) but I start it and let it run until warm at least once 
> every two months.  Have been doing this since 1982, when I bought it.  But 
> usually after one or two days, I would still have to pump it like 75 times 
> to start it.
>
> When I rebuilt the carb, about 15 years ago, I THINK (not positive) that I 
> looked at the accelerator pump check valve.
>
> If I don't pump the gas pedal prior to even cranking, it would take 
> forever to build up enough to start.  So there IS a leak somewhere, 
> probably internally, like a seal or gasket. (I never have any fuel on the 
> floor or anywhere). It runs fine, just takes a lot to get it started.
>
> By the way, I got an e-mail to me, not the whole group, of someone else 
> who has the exact same thing happening to him.
>
> So based on your questions and discussions, I think you've led me to the 
> prime suspect being the fuel pump.  Thank you for your exceptional 
> insights.  I'll have to get the new pump and follow up to let you know. 
> Thanks again.
>
> Paul
>
>
> Rick at High Tech Coatings wrote:
>
> first if the fuel bowl was full of fuel it would only take about 1015 
> pumps
> for the accelerator pump to empty it, so pumping 75 time is worthless. If 
> the
> bowl is empty 75 pumps is just an exercise in futility.
>
> questions:
> how much shot does the fuel pump have?
> is it shooting all 75 pumps?
> How long has the car sat before you have to do this routine?
> are there any stains on the intake?
> did you check the accelerator pump check valve when you rebuilt your carb?
>
> when one of my cars sit for a long time I usually crank it till it builds 
> oil
> pressure, then the fuel pump should have filled the carb, give a pump or 3 
> and
> it starts right up, if not I fill the carb with gas thru the vent and it
> starts immediately
>
> Rick
>
> On 5/24/2010 11:13:30 PM, Paul J. Amoroso (paul-amo at comcast.net) wrote:
>
> I have a nagging problem that I have had for about 15 years, maybe
> someone is familiar with:  In order to start my car, I have to pump the
> peddle first ( before I even turn the key) about 75 times.  I thought
> maybe the carb had an internal fuel leak and the bowl needed refilled.
> I rebuilt the carb.  I have rebuilt carbs before with ok success - I am
> not anywhere near expert.  But the carb and problem were identical to
> that before I started.  The car runs fine except for the pesky fuel
> needing "primed".
>
> Does anyone have any ideas?  Am I wrong to think
> it's the carb.  Some
> other part of the fuel system?  Maybe I am mis-diagnosing the problem.
> Scott, did you have any of the symptoms like mine with your fuel sender?
>
> Thanks to everyone in advance for any words of wisdom.
>
> Paul Amoroso
> #1207
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