[6pack] New Clutch

COLIN THOM colinthom at shaw.ca
Fri Nov 13 08:38:56 MST 2015 

When I did mine 3 years ago, Luc was the recommended clutch choice. Having had both Borg and Laycock pressure plates fail, I was happy to buck up for the clutch made by Porsche's supplier. So far..no problems and it's outlasted all the other ones. 


Your chatter upon clutch engagement was likely the failing pressure plate or possibly oil on the friction plate but since you did this so long ago, the oil problem would have reasserted itself quickly if you didn't replace the rear engine seal at the time. 


While you're in there, here are the rings you need to do. 


Replace the rear engine seal. 
If your ring gear is in rough shape, replace it while you've got the flywheel in your hand. 
Have the flywheel resurfaced at a machine shop. There' s no need to lighten it unless you're on your way to building a race car. 
If the starter pinion gear is in rough shape, replace it, too. 
Since it's in your hand…have the starter overhauled 
If you haven't done it already, drill and pin or bolt the release fork onto the release shaft so you've got more to rely on than the screw that's doing the job. Loctite the screw. 


Aligning relates to centering the friction plate when you bolt the pressure plate onto the flywheel. The clutch kit will come with a plastic tool for doing this. The object is to make sure the centers of the pilot bushing, friction plate and pressure plate are aligned so that when you offer the transmission to the engine back plate, the transmission input shaft slides into the pilot bushing nice and smoothly and the splines on the shaft engage smoothly with those on the friction plate. 


Colin 
74-1/2 


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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 19:11:31 +0000 
From: James_ <jattr6 at hotmail.com> 
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Subject: Re: [6pack] New Clutch 
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Correction... 
In 2000 I bought a LUX kit from TRF. I paid $139. I doubt it came with the Gunst style bearing. BPNW carries that bearing and brass sleeve for $130 part number GRB211HD. Not sure which pressure plate and clutch disk to buy to go with the Gunst bearing if that setup is desired. So confusing. 
All I know is when I bought the 3 piece LUX kit and the pilot bushing, everything seems to work great. On TRF site. Blue book. There is a listing for a Laycock brand 3 piece set for $184 RFK116. Must be what I bought but the prices have climbed. I had a fourth gear shaft to use for alignment. So I didn't need the 5 piece LUX set currently being sold by BPNW. 

So it seems the vote is to find an original Laycock clutch set. I saw one sell on eBay not long ago for close to the price of the magic clutch set. Not clear which plate and bearing to use with an original pressure plate. I read the original clutch will have aged and need new silicon grease packed somewhere...the clutch plate springs? Again, confusing. 

So I am still not sure what would be the best clutch set. 

Also, I read about aligning the transmission to the engine...what does that entail beyond lining the locating pins and bell housing bolts. Seems to me there is no room for mis-alignment! Wow. I must have gotten lucky. 

I should mention, I replaced my clutch because of chatter felt in the rear end / transmission when I let the clutch out. Something was not releasing. Bearing, loose clutch plate...something. But the kit I installed in 2000 fixed it. 

So what is the best solution??? 
A mix of Gunst bearing and original pressure plates? 

-Sent from my Atari 2600- 

On Nov 10, 2015, at 7:25 PM, "James_ via 6pack" <6pack at autox.team.net<mailto:6pack at autox.team.net>> wrote: 

Hi Steve and all. 

I believe I went with the Sachs and gunst bearing last time I was addressing chatter / vibrating clutch when I released the pedal. That was back in 1999 and many many miles ago. I plan to double check - as my setup works awesome. 


-Sent from my Atari 2600- 

On Nov 9, 2015, at 3:25 PM, "Steve Kirsis via 6pack" <6pack at autox.team.net<mailto:6pack at autox.team.net>> wrote: 




On Monday, November 9, 2015 11:28 AM, Steve Kirsis <stevekirsis at yahoo.com<mailto:stevekirsis at yahoo.com>> wrote: 


Dale, If you can get a copy of Nelson Reidel's piece on a 100,000 mile clutch it would be worth your while. A combo of cross drilling to improve the fork stability, a Sachs pressure plate and Gunst throw out bearing is the main theme. I do believe I still have the piece but see if you can pick it up thru the 6-Pack. Ashford Little might be able to dig it up for you. We both have the system in our Sixes with fantastic results. I have installed this package on 3 TR'S. A beautiful working smooth clutch. 





On Monday, November 9, 2015 10:22 AM, Dale Katzfey via 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net<mailto:6pack at autox.team.net>> wrote: 


OK, now that it was determined that I should replace the clutch, what 
does everyone like? I was thinking about using TRF Magic Clutch. 

Any opinions out there? 

Dale 
74 TR6 
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I've used the Sachs and the Lux clutch kits with good results with the RHP 
Bearing. 
The key is to get the Bronze sleeve. 
There has been a rash of bad stock sleeves. The tolerance is too small and 
as they heat up they bind. 
I recently got one the wouldn't even fit on the transmission snout. 

Al 

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 2:11 PM, James_ via 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net> 
wrote: 

> Correction... 
> In 2000 I bought a LUX kit from TRF. I paid $139. I doubt it came with the 
> Gunst style bearing. BPNW carries that bearing and brass sleeve for $130 
> part number GRB211HD. Not sure which pressure plate and clutch disk to buy 
> to go with the Gunst bearing if that setup is desired. So confusing. 
> All I know is when I bought the 3 piece LUX kit and the pilot bushing, 
> everything seems to work great. On TRF site. Blue book. There is a listing 
> for a Laycock brand 3 piece set for $184 RFK116. Must be what I bought but 
> the prices have climbed. I had a fourth gear shaft to use for alignment. So 
> I didn't need the 5 piece LUX set currently being sold by BPNW. 
> 
> So it seems the vote is to find an original Laycock clutch set. I saw one 
> sell on eBay not long ago for close to the price of the magic clutch set. 
> Not clear which plate and bearing to use with an original pressure plate. I 
> read the original clutch will have aged and need new silicon grease packed 
> somewhere...the clutch plate springs? Again, confusing. 
> 
> So I am still not sure what would be the best clutch set. 
> 
> Also, I read about aligning the transmission to the engine...what does 
> that entail beyond lining the locating pins and bell housing bolts. Seems 
> to me there is no room for mis-alignment! Wow. I must have gotten lucky. 
> 
> I should mention, I replaced my clutch because of chatter felt in the rear 
> end / transmission when I let the clutch out. Something was not releasing. 
> Bearing, loose clutch plate...something. But the kit I installed in 2000 
> fixed it. 
> 
> So what is the best solution??? 
> A mix of Gunst bearing and original pressure plates? 
> 
> ?Sent from my Atari 2600? 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2015, at 7:25 PM, "James_ via 6pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> 
> wrote: 
> 
> Hi Steve and all. 
> 
> I believe I went with the Sachs and gunst bearing last time I was 
> addressing chatter / vibrating clutch when I released the pedal. That was 
> back in 1999 and many many miles ago. I plan to double check - as my setup 
> works awesome. 
> 
> 
> ?Sent from my Atari 2600? 
> 
> On Nov 9, 2015, at 3:25 PM, "Steve Kirsis via 6pack" <6pack at autox.team.net> 
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 11:28 AM, Steve Kirsis <stevekirsis at yahoo.com> 
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> Dale, If you can get a copy of Nelson Reidel's piece on a 100,000 mile 
> clutch it would be worth your while. A combo of cross drilling to improve 
> the fork stability, a Sachs pressure plate and Gunst throw out bearing is 
> the main theme. I do believe I still have the piece but see if you can pick 
> it up thru the 6-Pack. Ashford Little might be able to dig it up for you. 
> We both have the system in our Sixes with fantastic results. I have 
> installed this package on 3 TR'S. A beautiful working smooth clutch. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 10:22 AM, Dale Katzfey via 6pack < 
> 6pack at autox.team.net> wrote: 
> 
> 
> OK, now that it was determined that I should replace the clutch, what 
> does everyone like? I was thinking about using TRF Magic Clutch. 
> 
> Any opinions out there? 
> 
> Dale 
> 74 TR6 
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