Subject: Re: [Tigers] Symptoms again

From: Gary Winblad via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 08:30:23 -0700

This problem is not just during the winter, its every couple weeks, year 
round.
I did talk to a Mustang owner at Cars and Coffee that says he runs 
stabilizer ALL the time...
and he didn't have problems.

It must be the Ethanol.  Is there any residual sugar in it??  The 
problem is something that
clogs/sticks things up, but re-dissolves in a few hours...
What is in stabilizer?
Gary

On 8/18/2018 4:40 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote:
> If you're not using fuel stabilizer when you put it away for the 
> winter, you might try to see if that helps.  Mark L
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2018 6:20:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> [email-masked] writes:
>
> I guess I forgot to "reply all" on my email to Gary this morning. I 
> usually turn off the fuel pump and let the engine run the carb dry 
> when putting it away, but I guess there's enough fuel left to gum up 
> some of the works in the carb. Reintroducing fuel to the bowl for a 
> couple hours is enough to dissolve the goo and restore normal 
> operation. It started and ran fine this morning, all ready for its 
> yearly state inspection next week.  Problem solved, or at least 
> understood.
>
> No choice down here in Massachusetts, ethanol (IIRC) is in all 
> grades.  Maybe not in AV GAS, but I don't have access to that.
>
> Stu
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Dave Munroe <[email-masked] 
> <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
>
>     Stu;
>
>     Any chance you got into some ethanol-laced fuel? We don't have any
>     ethanol in our high test fuel, so we all here in Nova Scotia with
>     vintage cars, motorcycles and small yard equipment engines use
>     high test in everything. I once took on a tank full containing
>     ethanol in a neighboring Province, and put my car in storage for
>     the winter. Exact same symptoms, but much more extensive - the
>     ethanol phase-separated with the condensation in my entire fuel
>     system, in my fuel tanks, fuel pump, fuel filters and the float
>     bowl. You never want to ever have this happen to you.
>
>     Might be a good idea to check your fuel filter(s).
>
>     Good luck, I hope you have only your carb to deal with!
>
>     Dave in Nova Scotia
>     B382000450 (ex: Worcester, Mass. car)
>
>
>     On 18 August 2018 at 11:14, Gary Winblad via Tigers
>     <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
>
>         Hi Stu,
>         I am surprised that more people are not having this problem...
>         On the other hand, maybe it is somehow related to 2bbl
>         carbs...  my other car with a 600 Holley 4bbl
>         (much newer Holley) doesn't seem to do it.. though I don't
>         drive it for months at a time.
>         When I first started having the problem, I learned to pit stop
>         strip down the carb, look for problems,
>         blow out all the little passages and re-install in like 20
>         minutes. That fixed it and at first I was finding
>         small problems that looked like that must have been it but
>         after several "rebuilds" everything looked
>         perfect everytime.. but it ran like yours when first
>         started... WEIRD!
>         My problem car is stock (except the Holley), original heater
>         plate(?) and hoses, maybe that has something
>         to do with it?
>         Gary
>
>         On 8/17/2018 6:13 PM, Stu via Tigers wrote:
>
>             I think we have a winner.
>
>             Was it Fuel flow?  It did this before in the spring.  I
>             immediately tested this by running a hose from the pre
>             carb filter to a can. Good flow, my Facet was pumping like
>             crazy.  And the float level, rechecked this spring, is
>             right on.  So that isn't it.
>
>             Was it Ignition, maybe with some condensation? Back in the
>             spring I used a spray bottle to soak the coil, cap, wires,
>             etc. and then tried to start it.  No problem
>
>             Also, both tonight and in the spring, the car started and
>             idled fine after a couple hours.
>
>             So I think Gary nailed it.  His description matches
>             perfectly.  Despite my running the carb dry before putting
>             it away for more than a day, stuff in the carb gets gummed
>             up.  Reintroducing fuel for a few hours dissolves the crud
>             and normal operation is restored.
>
>             Stu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: coolvt--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 13:30:56 -0400

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I store my Tiger=C2=A0 every winter=C2=A0 along with other other cars and m=
otorized lawnmowers, etc.=C2=A0 Each one gets stabilizer and Battery Tender=
.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Never use it during the summer when vehicles are being operat=
ed. Zero problems.=C2=A0=20
If there is a problem every few weeks and fuel tanks haven't been cleaned a=
nd treated, I would guess the problem couild be there.=C2=A0 In my case ver=
y little showed up in the filter. I had sediment that floated around and cu=
t off fuel delivery every once in a while. Shut car off, come back an hour =
later, sediment had settled, and car ran fine.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mark L

In a message dated 8/19/2018 11:30:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, garywinblad=
@comcast.net writes:

=C2=A0
This problem is not just during the winter, its every couple weeks, year=20

round.
I did talk to a Mustang owner at Cars and Coffee that says he runs=20
stabilizer ALL the time...
and he didn't have problems.

It must be the Ethanol.=C2=A0 Is there any residual sugar in it??=C2=A0 The=
=20
problem is something that
clogs/sticks things up, but re-dissolves in a few hours...
What is in stabilizer?
Gary

On 8/18/2018 4:40 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote:
> If you're not using fuel stabilizer when you put it away for the=20
> winter, you might try to see if that helps.=C2=A0 Mark L
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2018 6:20:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> I guess I forgot to "reply all" on my email to Gary this morning. I=20
> usually turn off the fuel pump and let the engine run the carb dry=20
> when putting it away, but I guess there's enough fuel left to gum up=20
> some of the works in the carb. Reintroducing fuel to the bowl for a=20
> couple hours is enough to dissolve the goo and restore normal=20
> operation. It started and ran fine this morning, all ready for its=20
> yearly state inspection next week.=C2=A0 Problem solved, or at least=20
> understood.
>
> No choice down here in Massachusetts, ethanol (IIRC) is in all=20
> grades.=C2=A0 Maybe not in AV GAS, but I don't have access to that.
>
> Stu
>
> carbs...=C2=A0 my other car with a 600 Holley 4bbl
> Was it Fuel flow?=C2=A0 It did this before in the spring.=C2=A0 I
> crazy.=C2=A0 And the float level, rechecked this spring, is
> right on.=C2=A0 So that isn't it.
>
> etc. and then tried to start it.=C2=A0 No problem
>
> So I think Gary nailed it.=C2=A0 His description matches
> perfectly.=C2=A0 Despite my running the carb dry before putting
> up.=C2=A0 Reintroducing fuel for a few hours dissolves the crud
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@com=
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<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
2pt; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;">I store my Tiger&nbsp; eve=
ry winter&nbsp; along with other other cars and motorized lawnmowers, etc.&=
nbsp; Each one gets stabilizer and Battery Tender.&nbsp; &nbsp;Never use it=
 during the summer when vehicles are being operated. Zero problems.<br> </s=
pan></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
2pt; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;">If there is a problem ever=
y few weeks and fuel tanks haven't been cleaned and treated, I would guess =
the problem couild be there.&nbsp; In my case very little showed up in the =
filter. I had sediment that floated around and cut off fuel delivery every =
once in a while. Shut car off, come back an hour later, sediment had settle=
d, and car ran fine.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Mark L=
<br><br></span></div>
</div>
In a message dated 8/19/2018 11:30:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, garywinblad=
@comcast.net writes:
<div><br></div>
This problem is not just during the winter, its every couple weeks, year <b=
r>round.<br>I did talk to a Mustang owner at Cars and Coffee that says he r=
uns <br>stabilizer ALL the time...<br>and he didn't have problems.<br><br>I=
t must be the Ethanol.&nbsp; Is there any residual sugar in it??&nbsp; The =
<br>problem is something that<br>clogs/sticks things up, but re-dissolves i=
n a few hours...<br>What is in stabilizer?<br>Gary<br><br><br>On 8/18/2018 =
4:40 PM, coolvt--- via Tigers wrote:<br>&gt; If you're not using fuel stabi=
lizer when you put it away for the <br>&gt; winter, you might try to see if=
 that helps.&nbsp; Mark L<br>&gt;<br>&gt; In a message dated 8/18/2018 6:20=
:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, <br>&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net">[email-masked]</a> writes:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I guess I forgot to =
"reply all" on my email to Gary this morning. I <br>&gt; usually turn off t=
he fuel pump and let the engine run the carb dry <br>&gt; when putting it a=
way, but I guess there's enough fuel left to gum up <br>&gt; some of the wo=
rks in the carb. Reintroducing fuel to the bowl for a <br>&gt; couple hours=
 is enough to dissolve the goo and restore normal <br>&gt; operation. It st=
arted and ran fine this morning, all ready for its <br>&gt; yearly state in=
spection next week.&nbsp; Problem solved, or at least <br>&gt; understood.<=
br>&gt;<br>&gt; No choice down here in Massachusetts, ethanol (IIRC) is in =
all <br>&gt; grades.&nbsp; Maybe not in AV GAS, but I don't have access to =
that.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Stu<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 2:52 PM, =
Dave Munroe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> <br>&g=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]?">mailto:[email-masked]</a>&gt;&gt;=
 wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Stu;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Any chance you got into some e=
thanol-laced fuel? We don't have any<br>&gt; ethanol in our high test fuel,=
 so we all here in Nova Scotia with<br>&gt; vintage cars, motorcycles and s=
mall yard equipment engines use<br>&gt; high test in everything. I once too=
k on a tank full containing<br>&gt; ethanol in a neighboring Province, and =
put my car in storage for<br>&gt; the winter. Exact same symptoms, but much=
 more extensive - the<br>&gt; ethanol phase-separated with the condensation=
 in my entire fuel<br>&gt; system, in my fuel tanks, fuel pump, fuel filter=
s and the float<br>&gt; bowl. You never want to ever have this happen to yo=
u.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Might be a good idea to check your fuel filter(s).<br>&g=
t;<br>&gt; Good luck, I hope you have only your carb to deal with!<br>&gt;<=
br>&gt; Dave in Nova Scotia<br>&gt; B382000450 (ex: Worcester, Mass. car)<b=
r>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On 18 August 2018 at 11:14, Gary Winblad via Tigers<=
br>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]?">mailto:[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Hi Stu,<br>&gt; I am surprised that =
more people are not having this problem...<br>&gt; On the other hand, maybe=
 it is somehow related to 2bbl<br>&gt; carbs...&nbsp; my other car with a 6=
00 Holley 4bbl<br>&gt; (much newer Holley) doesn't seem to do it.. though I=
 don't<br>&gt; drive it for months at a time.<br>&gt; When I first started =
having the problem, I learned to pit stop<br>&gt; strip down the carb, look=
 for problems,<br>&gt; blow out all the little passages and re-install in l=
ike 20<br>&gt; minutes. That fixed it and at first I was finding<br>&gt; sm=
all problems that looked like that must have been it but<br>&gt; after seve=
ral "rebuilds" everything looked<br>&gt; perfect everytime.. but it ran lik=
e yours when first<br>&gt; started... WEIRD!<br>&gt; My problem car is stoc=
k (except the Holley), original heater<br>&gt; plate(?) and hoses, maybe th=
at has something<br>&gt; to do with it?<br>&gt; Gary<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On 8/1=
7/2018 6:13 PM, Stu via Tigers wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I think we have a win=
ner.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Was it Fuel flow?&nbsp; It did this before in the spri=
ng.&nbsp; I<br>&gt; immediately tested this by running a hose from the pre<=
br>&gt; carb filter to a can. Good flow, my Facet was pumping like<br>&gt; =
crazy.&nbsp; And the float level, rechecked this spring, is<br>&gt; right o=
n.&nbsp; So that isn't it.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Was it Ignition, maybe with some=
 condensation? Back in the<br>&gt; spring I used a spray bottle to soak the=
 coil, cap, wires,<br>&gt; etc. and then tried to start it.&nbsp; No proble=
m<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Also, both tonight and in the spring, the car started and=
<br>&gt; idled fine after a couple hours.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; So I think Gary n=
ailed it.&nbsp; His description matches<br>&gt; perfectly.&nbsp; Despite my=
 running the carb dry before putting<br>&gt; it away for more than a day, s=
tuff in the carb gets gummed<br>&gt; up.&nbsp; Reintroducing fuel for a few=
 hours dissolves the crud<br>&gt; and normal operation is restored.<br>&gt;=
<br>&gt; Stu<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt=
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