Subject: Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels

From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:41:46 -0500

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Hi Roger,
I have encountered that problem myself with new wheels and splines. so you
are not alone. What was most confusing was that after tightening fully and
removing the KO nut the wheel pulled off the spline easily so my theory
about slight interference on the spline did not hold water.
Never really found a cause and it went away after the wheels were run on
the road for a while after which the KO nut would spin on by hand and
require about 1/2 a turn of tightening
Please let me know if you figure out the cause..
BTW good video about making wire wheels here.
http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-wheels/

Michael S
BN1 #174

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Roger Grace <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I have just installed new MWS  5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Moss (USA
> made) splined hubs on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret lug nuts.
> I am not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of the
> spinner to take up the peripheral play in the wheels.
> What gives ? Spoken to both MWS and Moss and they are at a loss.
> I can confirm that the hub mounting studs are not touching the inside of
> the wheel and that the spinners are not bottoming.
> Switched front to back spinners and no change.
> Spinner thread ID seems to be within spec. at 2.194 in
> Now thinking about new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps spinners with a
> different taper .. ?
> Anyone had similar issues ??
>
> As an aside, trying to get my head around all this, appears to me that
> torque is also (as well as splines) transmitted by the taper fit between
> the wheel inside and hub, as otherwise the wheel would not tighten when the
> spinner is tightened .. ??
>
>
>
>
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fault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I hav=
e encountered that problem myself with new wheels and splines. so you are n=
ot alone. What was most confusing was that after tightening fully and remov=
ing the KO nut the wheel pulled off the spline easily so my theory about sl=
ight interference on the spline did not hold water. <br>Never really found =
a cause and it went away after the wheels were run on the road for a while =
after which the KO nut would spin on by hand and require about 1/2 a turn o=
f tightening <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:co=
mic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Please let me know if you figure ou=
t the cause..<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:co=
mic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">BTW good video about making wire wh=
eels here.<br><a href=3D"http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-wheels/=
">http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-wheels/</a><br><br></div><div =
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<div>I have just installed new MWS=C2=A0 5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Moss=
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<div>I am not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of the=
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spinner to take up the peripheral play in the wheels.</div>
<div>What gives ? Spoken to both MWS and Moss and they are at a loss.</div>
<div>I can confirm that the hub mounting studs are not touching the inside =
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<div>Switched front to back spinners and no change.</div>
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From: "Roger Grace" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:32:13 -0800

Thank you
Perhaps a bad choice of words; what I meant was that, firmly grabbing 
opposite sides of the tyre and trying to rotate it there is about 3/8 - 1/4 
in play.
Yes spinners are free on the hubs and thread really easily all the way to 
the home position.
Will check thread pitch with the old hubs.
rg

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From: [email-masked]
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 10:27 AM
To: Roger Grace
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels

Roger,

Sounds like time to eliminate some possibilities:

If you remove the wheels and just try to thread the spinners onto the
hubs is there any difficulty beyond ordinary friction of threads? With
a bit of light oil you should be able to turn the spinners fully onto
the hubs.

Probably worth measuing the pitch of the threads on the rear hubs and
compare with ones on front.  Maybe the American machinist cut metric
threads on the new hubs or something.  Nobody uses inches any more,
you know ;-)

I am guessing that what you are labelling as peripheral play is motion
of the wheels toward and away from the hubs when there should be none.
Are you sure that the free play is between the wheels and the hubs and
not somewhere else in the rear end, such as between hubs and brake
drums or brake drums and axle?

I don't know why your old spinners wouldn't fit the new hubs if the
new hubs were made right.

I don't know what MWS wheels are, who makes them.  The ones from India
that Moss sells have been quite good for a number of years now.

I'd compare how your spinners fit onto your old wheels and onto the
new ones, off of the car so you can just lay the spinner onto the
wheel.  If there is a gross difference, maybe your new wheels are at
fault.

Good luck,

-Roland

On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:47:03 -0800, you wrote:

>spinner to take up the peripheral play in the wheels. What gives ? Spoken 
>to both MWS and Moss and they are at a loss. I can confirm that the hub 
>mounting studs are not touching the inside of the wheel and that the 
>spinners are not bottoming. Switched front to back spinners and no change. 
>Spinner thread ID seems to be within spec. at 2.194 in Now thinking about 
>new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps spinners with a different taper .. ? 

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From: "Roger Grace" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 15:25:19 -0800

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Thank you.
Yes handbrake applied.
Movement is back and forth in direction of normal rotation.
Tightening with weight off car, first by hand then a say 3/4 taps with a =
mallet; still movement then really have to slog it to eliminate it and =
feel could be stressing something.

From: BJ8Healeys=20
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 12:25 PM
To: 'Roger Grace'=20
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels

Roger, what do you mean by "peripheral play"?  Does that mean that when =
you tighten the spinner that you can turn the wheel back and forth =
(i.e., as it normally turns), or that you can rock the wheel sideways?  =
There is some play in the rear axle/differential, so if you are turning =
the wheel back and forth you may just be seeing the rear axle play.  =
Apply the handbrake until the wheel doesn't move.  If the wheel still =
moves when you try to turn it, then the play is between the wheel and =
spinner. =20

Are you tightening the spinner with the weight of the car off the wheel, =
as you should?

If none of this applies and you really have to hammer the spinner, then =
something is definitely wrong.  I normally hit the spinner until I don't =
see it moving, then lower the car to the ground and tap it again.  I've =
never had a spinner loosen up.  Oh, I also never hit the spinner =
directly with the hammer, but use a piece of scrap wood and hit that.  =
Wood is cheaper than a new spinner, or even a new lead hammer.

=20

As designed, the wheel is clamped between the taper on the spinner/taper =
on the outer wheel hub and the taper of the splined hub/taper on the =
inner wheel hub.  Driving torque is mainly carried by the splines, but I =
suppose friction of the taper surfaces could account for some of it, =
especially if the splines are worn.

=20

Steve Byers

HBJ8L/36666

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC

=20

From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Roger =
Grace
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 12:47 PM
To: Healey List
Subject: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels

=20

I have just installed new MWS  5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Moss (USA =
made) splined hubs on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret lug =
nuts.

I am not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of the =
spinner to take up the peripheral play in the wheels.

I can confirm that the hub mounting studs are not touching the inside of =
the wheel and that the spinners are not bottoming.

Now thinking about new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps spinners with a =
different taper .. ?

=20

As an aside, trying to get my head around all this, appears to me that =
torque is also (as well as splines) transmitted by the taper fit between =
the wheel inside and hub, as otherwise the wheel would not tighten when =
the spinner is tightened .. ??

=20

=20

=20

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<DIV>Thank you.</DIV>
<DIV>Yes handbrake applied.</DIV>
<DIV>Movement is back and forth in direction of normal rotation.</DIV>
<DIV>Tightening with weight off car, first by hand then a say 3/4 taps =
with a=20
mallet; still movement then really have to slog it to eliminate it and =
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could be stressing something.</DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">BJ8Healeys</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 2, 2015 12:25 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'Roger Grace'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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what do you mean by "peripheral play"?&nbsp; Does that mean that when =
you=20
tighten the spinner that you can turn the wheel back and forth (i.e., as =
it=20
normally turns), or that you can rock the wheel sideways?&nbsp; There is =
some=20
play in the rear axle/differential, so if you are turning the wheel back =
and=20
forth you may just be seeing the rear axle play.&nbsp; Apply the =
handbrake until=20
the wheel doesn't move.&nbsp; If the wheel still moves when you try to =
turn it,=20
then the play is between the wheel and spinner.&nbsp; =
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#002060'>If none of=20
this applies and you really have to hammer the spinner, then something =
is=20
definitely wrong.&nbsp; I normally hit the spinner until I don't see it =
moving,=20
then lower the car to the ground and tap it again.&nbsp; I've never had =
a=20
spinner loosen up.&nbsp; Oh, I also never hit the spinner directly with =
the=20
hammer, but use a piece of scrap wood and hit that.&nbsp; Wood is =
cheaper than a=20
new spinner, or even a new lead hammer.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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designed, the wheel is clamped between the taper on the spinner/taper on =
the=20
outer wheel hub and the taper of the splined hub/taper on the inner =
wheel=20
hub.&nbsp; Driving torque is mainly carried by the splines, but I =
suppose=20
friction of the taper surfaces could account for some of it, especially =
if the=20
splines are worn.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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have just installed new MWS&nbsp; 5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Moss =
(USA made)=20
splined hubs on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret lug=20
nuts.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: =
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not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of the spinner =
to take=20
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loss.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: =
black'>I=20
can confirm that the hub mounting studs are not touching the inside of =
the wheel=20
and that the spinners are not bottoming.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: black'>Switched front to =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS"; COLOR: black'>Spinner thread ID =
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When I had new wheels and knock offs, they seemed to behave this way, as Mi=
chael says, when they were new, but it seemed the paint had to wear off on =
the taper surface of the wheel before everything tightened up properly...ju=
st an observation from a few years back- no trouble since.Stephen, BJ8
      From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
 To: Roger Grace <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: Healey List <[email-masked]>=20
 Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 1:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels
  =20
Hi Roger,
I have encountered that problem myself with new wheels and splines. so you =
are not alone. What was most confusing was that after tightening fully and =
removing the KO nut the wheel pulled off the spline easily so my theory abo=
ut slight interference on the spline did not hold water.=20
Never really found a cause and it went away after the wheels were run on th=
e road for a while after which the KO nut would spin on by hand and require=
 about 1/2 a turn of tightening=20
Please let me know if you figure out the cause..
BTW good video about making wire wheels here.
http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-wheels/

Michael S
BN1 #174=20

I have just installed new MWS=C2=A0 5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Moss (USA=
 made) splined hubs on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret lug nuts.=
I am not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of the spinn=
er to take up the peripheral play in the wheels.What gives ? Spoken to both=
 MWS and Moss and they are at a loss.I can confirm that the hub mounting st=
uds are not touching the inside of the wheel and that the spinners are not =
bottoming.Switched front to back spinners and no change.Spinner thread ID s=
eems to be within spec. at 2.194 inNow thinking about new spinners .. ?? Ar=
e there perhaps spinners with a different taper .. ?Anyone had similar issu=
es ??=C2=A0As an aside, trying to get my head around all this, appears to m=
e that torque is also (as well as splines) transmitted by the taper fit bet=
ween the wheel inside and hub, as otherwise the wheel would not tighten whe=
n the spinner is tightened .. ??=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
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n id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446514839712_8816">When I had new wheels and knock of=
fs, they seemed to behave this way, as Michael says, when they were new, bu=
t it seemed the paint had to wear off on the taper surface of the wheel bef=
ore everything tightened up properly...just an observation from a few years=
 back- no trouble since.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446514839712_=
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amily:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144651=
4839712_9021">Hi Roger,<br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv7961161682=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:sma=
ll;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446514839712_8850">I have encountered that problem=
 myself with new wheels and splines. so you are not alone. What was most co=
nfusing was that after tightening fully and removing the KO nut the wheel p=
ulled off the spline easily so my theory about slight interference on the s=
pline did not hold water. <br clear=3D"none">Never really found a cause and=
 it went away after the wheels were run on the road for a while after which=
 the KO nut would spin on by hand and require about 1/2 a turn of tightenin=
g <br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv7961161682gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;" id=3D"yui_3_16_=
0_1_1446514839712_8885">Please let me know if you figure out the cause..<br=
 clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv7961161682gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;">BTW good video about =
making wire wheels here.<br clear=3D"none"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rec=
t" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-whe=
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ailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:roggra=
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<div>I have just installed new MWS&nbsp; 5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Moss=
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made) splined hubs on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret lug nuts.<=
/div>
<div>I am not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of the=
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<div>What gives ? Spoken to both MWS and Moss and they are at a loss.</div>
<div>I can confirm that the hub mounting studs are not touching the inside =
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the wheel and that the spinners are not bottoming.</div>
<div>Switched front to back spinners and no change.</div>
<div>Spinner thread ID seems to be within spec. at 2.194 in</div>
<div>Now thinking about new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps spinners with =
a=20
different taper .. ?</div>
<div>Anyone had similar issues ??</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>As an aside, trying to get my head around all this, appears to me that=
=20
torque is also (as well as splines) transmitted by the taper fit between th=
e=20
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Resolution. Sort of ... mmmm
Now installed 2 new spinners.
Note that the new ones were 0.75 mm deeper than the old ones.
So now have new wheels, hub splines and spinners.
Yes, there is some improvement but have to still slog harder than I =
think that I should have to.
Have decided to live with it and keep an eye on early wear on the =
splines. To my mind the only other thing is the machining tolerance of =
the hub splines from the different suppliers. Reluctant to make a costly =
science project out of it at this stage. Do not think that it is the =
wheel splines as MWS say they manufacture them in 1000 piece batches.

However one thing that still baffles me is the fitment of the =
wheels/splines.
I cant help thinking of typical drive shaft type spline joints; there is =
no free play and little wear.
So question is how does tightening the spinner reduce the play between =
the splines ??
Or does it ? Is there always some free play in the splines and this is =
what causes the wear ?
My thinking is that the 60 deg. taper on hub and wheel play a larger =
part in torque transmission than we think.=20

Any ideas ??
rg

From: Michael Salter=20
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 10:41 AM
To: Roger Grace=20
Cc: Healey List=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels

Hi Roger,

I have encountered that problem myself with new wheels and splines. so =
you are not alone. What was most confusing was that after tightening =
fully and removing the KO nut the wheel pulled off the spline easily so =
my theory about slight interference on the spline did not hold water.=20
Never really found a cause and it went away after the wheels were run on =
the road for a while after which the KO nut would spin on by hand and =
require about 1/2 a turn of tightening=20

Michael S

BN1 #174=20

  I have just installed new MWS  5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Moss (USA =
made) splined hubs on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret lug =
nuts.
  I am not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of the =
spinner to take up the peripheral play in the wheels.
  What gives ? Spoken to both MWS and Moss and they are at a loss.
  I can confirm that the hub mounting studs are not touching the inside =
of the wheel and that the spinners are not bottoming.
  Switched front to back spinners and no change.
  Spinner thread ID seems to be within spec. at 2.194 in
  Now thinking about new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps spinners with =
a different taper .. ?
  Anyone had similar issues ??

  [email-masked]

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<DIV>Resolution. Sort of ... mmmm</DIV>
<DIV>Now installed 2 new spinners.</DIV>
<DIV>Note that the new ones were 0.75 mm deeper than the old ones.</DIV>
<DIV>So now have new wheels, hub splines and spinners.</DIV>
<DIV>Yes, there is some improvement but have to still slog harder than I =
think=20
that I should have to.</DIV>
<DIV>Have decided to live with it and keep an eye on early wear on the =
splines.=20
To my mind the only other thing is the machining tolerance of the hub =
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<DIV>However one thing that still baffles me is the fitment of the=20
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<DIV>I cant help thinking of typical drive shaft type spline joints; =
there is no=20
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spinner=20
reduce the play between the splines ??</DIV>
<DIV>Or does it ? Is there always some free play in the splines and this =
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causes the wear ?</DIV>
<DIV>My thinking is that the 60 deg. taper on hub and wheel play a =
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<DIV>Any ideas ??</DIV>
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removing the=20
KO nut the wheel pulled off the spline easily so my theory about slight=20
interference on the spline did not hold water. <BR>Never really found a =
cause=20
and it went away after the wheels were run on the road for a while after =
which=20
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tightening=20
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good video=20
about making wire wheels here.<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-wheels/">http://cara.c=
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Hi Roger,
If you read the original Rudge-Whitworth patent on the spline drive wheels
you will note that there was a need for clearance in the splines to allow
the self tightening function to work.
I suspect that the play that you are noticing is actually part of the
design.

Michael S
BN1 3174

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Roger Grace <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Yes, there is some improvement but have to still slog harder than I think
> that I should have to.
> Have decided to live with it and keep an eye on early wear on the splines.
> To my mind the only other thing is the machining tolerance of the hub
> splines from the different suppliers. Reluctant to make a costly science
> project out of it at this stage. Do not think that it is the wheel splines
> as MWS say they manufacture them in 1000 piece batches.
>
> However one thing that still baffles me is the fitment of the
> wheels/splines.
> I cant help thinking of typical drive shaft type spline joints; there is
> So question is how does tightening the spinner reduce the play between the
> splines ??
> Or does it ? Is there always some free play in the splines and this is
> what causes the wear ?
> My thinking is that the 60 deg. taper on hub and wheel play a larger part
> in torque transmission than we think.
>
> Any ideas ??
> rg
>
>
> *From:* Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 2, 2015 10:41 AM
> *To:* Roger Grace <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Healey List <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels
>
> Hi Roger,

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Roger,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">If yo=
u read the original Rudge-Whitworth patent on the spline drive wheels you w=
ill note that there was a need for clearance in the splines to allow the se=
lf tightening function to work. <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I suspect that t=
he play that you are noticing is actually part of the design.<br><br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;=
font-size:small">Michael S<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">BN1 3174<br></div></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 6, =
2015 at 2:28 PM, Roger Grace <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roggra=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Comic Sans MS&#39;;COLOR:#000=
000">
<div>Resolution. Sort of ... mmmm</div>
<div>Now installed 2 new spinners.</div>
<div>Note that the new ones were 0.75 mm deeper than the old ones.</div>
<div>So now have new wheels, hub splines and spinners.</div>
<div>Yes, there is some improvement but have to still slog harder than I th=
ink=20
that I should have to.</div>
<div>Have decided to live with it and keep an eye on early wear on the spli=
nes.=20
To my mind the only other thing is the machining tolerance of the hub splin=
es=20
from the different suppliers. Reluctant to make a costly science project ou=
t of=20
it at this stage. Do not think that it is the wheel splines as MWS say they=
=20
manufacture them in 1000 piece batches.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>However one thing that still baffles me is the fitment of the=20
wheels/splines.</div>
<div>I cant help thinking of typical drive shaft type spline joints; there =
is no=20
free play and little wear.<br>So question is how does tightening the spinne=
r=20
reduce the play between the splines ??</div>
<div>Or does it ? Is there always some free play in the splines and this is=
 what=20
causes the wear ?</div>
<div>My thinking is that the 60 deg. taper on hub and wheel play a larger p=
art=20
in torque transmission than we think. </div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Any ideas ??</div>
<div>rg</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:micha=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Michael Salter</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 2, 2015 10:41 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:roggrace@tel=
us.net" target=3D"_blank">Roger Grace</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:healeys@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Healey List</a> </div><span class=3D"">
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels</div></span></div></d=
iv>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">Hi=20
Roger,<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">I have=20
encountered that problem myself with new wheels and splines. so you are not=
=20
alone. What was most confusing was that after tightening fully and removing=
 the=20
KO nut the wheel pulled off the spline easily so my theory about slight=20
interference on the spline did not hold water. <br>Never really found a cau=
se=20
and it went away after the wheels were run on the road for a while after wh=
ich=20
the KO nut would spin on by hand and require about 1/2 a turn of tightening=
=20
<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">Please let me=20
know if you figure out the cause..<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">BTW good video=20
about making wire wheels here.<br><a href=3D"http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-=
to-make-wire-wheels/" target=3D"_blank">http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-ma=
ke-wire-wheels/</a><br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">Michael=20
S<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">BN1 #174=20
<br></div></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Roger Grace <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px =
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00000">
  <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:&quot;Cali=
bri&quot;;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline=
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00000">
  <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:&quot;Cali=
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">
  <div dir=3D"ltr">
  <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Comic Sans MS&#39;;COLOR:#0=
00000">
  <div>I have just installed new MWS=C2=A0 5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Mo=
ss=20
  (USA made) splined hubs on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret lug=
=20
  nuts.</div>
  <div>I am not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of th=
e=20
  spinner to take up the peripheral play in the wheels.</div>
  <div>What gives ? Spoken to both MWS and Moss and they are at a loss.</di=
v>
  <div>I can confirm that the hub mounting studs are not touching the insid=
e of=20
  the wheel and that the spinners are not bottoming.</div>
  <div>Switched front to back spinners and no change.</div>
  <div>Spinner thread ID seems to be within spec. at 2.194 in</div>
  <div>Now thinking about new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps spinners wit=
h a=20
  different taper .. ?</div>
  <div>Anyone had similar issues ??</div>
  <div>=C2=A0</div>
  <div>As an aside, trying to get my head around all this, appears to me th=
at=20
  torque is also (as well as splines) transmitted by the taper fit between =
the=20
  wheel inside and hub, as otherwise the wheel would not tighten when the=
=20
  spinner is tightened .. ??</div>
  <div>=C2=A0</div>
  <div>=C2=A0</div>
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=20

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If you read the original Rudge-Whitworth patent on the spline drive =
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I suspect that the play that you are noticing is actually part of the =
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Michael S

BN1 3174

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Any ideas ??

rg

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n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI","sans-serif";color:black'>and<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/wheels/wl102.htm"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI","sans-serif"'>http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/wheels/wl102.htm</span></=
a><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>John Sims<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>Aberdeen, NJ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>www.healey6.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Michael Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 06, 2015 3:22 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Roger Grace<br><b>Cc:</b> Healey =
List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Splines and =
Wheels<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Hi =
Roger,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>If you read the original =
Rudge-Whitworth patent on the spline drive wheels you will note that =
there was a need for clearance in the splines to allow the self =
tightening function to work. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>I suspect that the play that you =
are noticing is actually part of the =
design.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Michael =
S<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>BN1 =
3174<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, =
Nov 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Roger Grace &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Resolution. Sort of =
... mmmm<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Now installed 2 new =
spinners.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Note that the new ones =
were 0.75 mm deeper than the old =
ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>So now have new =
wheels, hub splines and spinners.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Yes, there is some improvement but have to still slog =
harder than I think that I should have =
to.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Have decided to live =
with it and keep an eye on early wear on the splines. To my mind the =
only other thing is the machining tolerance of the hub splines from the =
different suppliers. Reluctant to make a costly science project out of =
it at this stage. Do not think that it is the wheel splines as MWS say =
they manufacture them in 1000 piece =
batches.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>However one thing that still baffles me is the fitment =
of the wheels/splines.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>I cant help thinking of typical drive shaft type spline =
joints; there is no free play and little wear.<br>So question is how =
does tightening the spinner reduce the play between the splines =
??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Or does it ? Is there =
always some free play in the splines and this is what causes the wear =
?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>My thinking is that =
the 60 deg. taper on hub and wheel play a larger part in torque =
transmission than we think. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Any ideas ??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>rg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"[email-masked]">Michael Salter</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Sent:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 Monday, November 2, 2015 10:41 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
To:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"[email-masked]">Roger Grace</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Cc:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"[email-masked]">Healey List</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Subject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 Re: [Healeys] Splines and =
Wheels<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Hi Roger,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>I have encountered that problem myself with new wheels =
and splines. so you are not alone. What was most confusing was that =
after tightening fully and removing the KO nut the wheel pulled off the =
spline easily so my theory about slight interference on the spline did =
not hold water. <br>Never really found a cause and it went away after =
the wheels were run on the road for a while after which the KO nut would =
spin on by hand and require about 1/2 a turn of tightening =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Please let me know if =
you figure out the cause..<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>BTW good video about =
making wire wheels here.<br><a =
href=3D"http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-wheels/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-wheels/</a><=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Michael =
S<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>BN1 #174 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Mon, Nov 2, =
2015 at 12:47 PM, Roger Grace &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>=
<div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I have just installed =
new MWS&nbsp; 5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Moss (USA made) splined hubs =
on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret lug =
nuts.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I am not happy with =
the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of the spinner to take up the =
peripheral play in the wheels.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>What gives ? Spoken to both MWS and Moss and they are =
at a loss.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I can confirm that the =
hub mounting studs are not touching the inside of the wheel and that the =
spinners are not bottoming.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Switched front to back spinners and no =
change.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Spinner thread ID =
seems to be within spec. at 2.194 in<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Now thinking about new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps =
spinners with a different taper .. ?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Anyone had similar issues =
??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>As an aside, trying to get my head around all this, =
appears to me that torque is also (as well as splines) transmitted by =
the taper fit between the wheel inside and hub, as otherwise the wheel =
would not tighten when the spinner is tightened .. =
??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
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v></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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Hi Roger,

Michael S

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Healeys [<a =
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ox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Friday, November 06, 2015 3:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> Roger =
Grace<br><b>Cc:</b> Healey List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Splines =
and Wheels<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Roger:  I have had my Healey for a long time and during that time I have =
attended many tech sessions put on by different people.  I do recall =
that mpfmpf (that's the sound of rubbing your fingers over your lips =
while you talk) years ago, I was told that there was an allowable amount =
of movement of the wheel on the hub.  I have made a cursory search of =
some of my old notes but I could not find that data.  It wasn't much - a =
sixteenth of an inch?  A thirty-seconds of an inch?  This was measured =
at the outside diameter of the tire with the wheel/tire off the ground =
and brakes applied.  The bottom line, I do recall, it was not zero.=20

(The Other) Len
Fairfield, CA, USA
1967 AH 3000 MkIII, HBJ8L39031=20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Roger Grace=20
  To: Michael Salter=20
  Cc: Healey List=20
  Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 11:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels

  However one thing that still baffles me is the fitment of the =
wheels/splines.
  I cant help thinking of typical drive shaft type spline joints; there =
is no free play and little wear.
  So question is how does tightening the spinner reduce the play between =
the splines ??
  Or does it ? Is there always some free play in the splines and this is =
what causes the wear ?
  My thinking is that the 60 deg. taper on hub and wheel play a larger =
part in torque transmission than we think.=20

  Any ideas ??
  rg

  From: Michael Salter=20

  Hi Roger,

  I have encountered that problem myself with new wheels and splines. so =
you are not alone. What was most confusing was that after tightening =
fully and removing the KO nut the wheel pulled off the spline easily so =
my theory about slight interference on the spline did not hold water.=20
  Never really found a cause and it went away after the wheels were run =
on the road for a while after which the KO nut would spin on by hand and =
require about 1/2 a turn of tightening=20

  Michael S

  BN1 #174=20

  On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Roger Grace <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

    I have just installed new MWS  5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Moss =
(USA made) splined hubs on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret =
lug nuts.
    I am not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of =
the spinner to take up the peripheral play in the wheels.
    What gives ? Spoken to both MWS and Moss and they are at a loss.
    I can confirm that the hub mounting studs are not touching the =
inside of the wheel and that the spinners are not bottoming.
    Switched front to back spinners and no change.
    Spinner thread ID seems to be within spec. at 2.194 in
    Now thinking about new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps spinners =
with a different taper .. ?
    Anyone had similar issues ??

    As an aside, trying to get my head around all this, appears to me =
that torque is also (as well as splines) transmitted by the taper fit =
between the wheel inside and hub, as otherwise the wheel would not =
tighten when the spinner is tightened .. ??

    [email-masked]

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<DIV>Roger:&nbsp; I have had my Healey for a long time and during that =
time I=20
have attended many tech sessions put on by different people.&nbsp; I do =
recall=20
that mpfmpf (that's the sound of rubbing your fingers over your lips =
while you=20
talk) years ago, I was told that there was an allowable amount of =
movement of=20
the wheel on the hub.&nbsp; I have made a cursory search of some of my =
old notes=20
but I could not&nbsp;find that data.&nbsp; It wasn't much - a sixteenth =
of an=20
inch?&nbsp; A thirty-seconds of an inch?&nbsp; This was measured at the =
outside=20
diameter of the tire with the wheel/tire off the ground and brakes=20
applied.&nbsp;&nbsp;The bottom line, I do recall, it&nbsp;was not=20
zero.&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>(The Other) Len<BR>Fairfield, CA, USA<BR>1967 AH 3000 MkIII,=20
HBJ8L39031&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <A title=[email-masked] href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Roger =
Grace</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Michael Salter</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 06, 2015 =
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  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Splines =
and=20
  Wheels</DIV>
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  <DIV>Resolution. Sort of ... mmmm</DIV>
  <DIV>Now installed 2 new spinners.</DIV>
  <DIV>Note that the new ones were 0.75 mm deeper than the old =
ones.</DIV>
  <DIV>So now have new wheels, hub splines and spinners.</DIV>
  <DIV>Yes, there is some improvement but have to still slog harder than =
I think=20
  that I should have to.</DIV>
  <DIV>Have decided to live with it and keep an eye on early wear on the =

  splines. To my mind the only other thing is the machining tolerance of =
the hub=20
  splines from the different suppliers. Reluctant to make a costly =
science=20
  project out of it at this stage. Do not think that it is the wheel =
splines as=20
  MWS say they manufacture them in 1000 piece batches.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>However one thing that still baffles me is the fitment of the=20
  wheels/splines.</DIV>
  <DIV>I cant help thinking of typical drive shaft type spline joints; =
there is=20
  no free play and little wear.<BR>So question is how does tightening =
the=20
  spinner reduce the play between the splines ??</DIV>
  <DIV>Or does it ? Is there always some free play in the splines and =
this is=20
  what causes the wear ?</DIV>
  <DIV>My thinking is that the 60 deg. taper on hub and wheel play a =
larger part=20
  in torque transmission than we think. </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Any ideas ??</DIV>
  <DIV>rg</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
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  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Michael Salter</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 2, 2015 10:41 AM</DIV>
  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Roger Grace</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Healey List</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Splines and =
Wheels</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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  class=3Dgmail_default>Hi Roger,<BR></DIV>
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  class=3Dgmail_default>I have encountered that problem myself with new =
wheels and=20
  splines. so you are not alone. What was most confusing was that after=20
  tightening fully and removing the KO nut the wheel pulled off the =
spline=20
  easily so my theory about slight interference on the spline did not =
hold=20
  water. <BR>Never really found a cause and it went away after the =
wheels were=20
  run on the road for a while after which the KO nut would spin on by =
hand and=20
  require about 1/2 a turn of tightening <BR></DIV>
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  class=3Dgmail_default>Please let me know if you figure out the =
cause..<BR></DIV>
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  class=3Dgmail_default>BTW good video about making wire wheels =
here.<BR><A=20
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  class=3Dgmail_default>Michael S<BR></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: small" =

  class=3Dgmail_default>BN1 #174 <BR></DIV></DIV>
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  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Roger Grace =
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    <DIV>I have just installed new MWS&nbsp; 5.5in 72 spoke wheels and =
new Moss=20
    (USA made) splined hubs on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new =
turret lug=20
    nuts.</DIV>
    <DIV>I am not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out =
of the=20
    spinner to take up the peripheral play in the wheels.</DIV>
    <DIV>What gives ? Spoken to both MWS and Moss and they are at a =
loss.</DIV>
    <DIV>I can confirm that the hub mounting studs are not touching the =
inside=20
    of the wheel and that the spinners are not bottoming.</DIV>
    <DIV>Switched front to back spinners and no change.</DIV>
    <DIV>Spinner thread ID seems to be within spec. at 2.194 in</DIV>
    <DIV>Now thinking about new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps =
spinners with a=20
    different taper .. ?</DIV>
    <DIV>Anyone had similar issues ??</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>As an aside, trying to get my head around all this, appears to =
me that=20
    torque is also (as well as splines) transmitted by the taper fit =
between the=20
    wheel inside and hub, as otherwise the wheel would not tighten when =
the=20
    spinner is tightened .. ??</DIV>
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OK.. one more time in case you all missed it. The tapered/chamfered 
mating surfaces must be liberally coated with grease (as well as the 
splines). I know we don't like any grease showing, but.. and while I'm 
at it the same goes for the door strikers and hinges.. use grease.
  And.. there should not be any movement. Movement is what ruins the 
splines..
Dave

On 11/6/2015 9:06 PM, Len and/or Marge Hartnett wrote:
> Roger:  I have had my Healey for a long time and during that time I 
> have attended many tech sessions put on by different people.  I do 
> recall that mpfmpf (that's the sound of rubbing your fingers over your 
> lips while you talk) years ago, I was told that there was an allowable 
> amount of movement of the wheel on the hub.  I have made a cursory 
> search of some of my old notes but I could not find that data.  It 
> wasn't much - a sixteenth of an inch?  A thirty-seconds of an inch?  
> This was measured at the outside diameter of the tire with the 
> wheel/tire off the ground and brakes applied.  The bottom line, I do 
> recall, it was not zero.
> (The Other) Len
> Fairfield, CA, USA
> 1967 AH 3000 MkIII, HBJ8L39031

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    OK.. one more time in case you all missed it. The tapered/chamfered
    mating surfaces must be liberally coated with grease (as well as the
    splines). I know we don't like any grease showing, but.. and while
    I'm at it the same goes for the door strikers and hinges.. use
    grease.<br>
     And.. there should not be any movement. Movement is what ruins the
    splines..<br>
    Dave<br>
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      <div>Roger:  I have had my Healey for a long time and during that
        time I have attended many tech sessions put on by different
        people.  I do recall that mpfmpf (that's the sound of rubbing
        your fingers over your lips while you talk) years ago, I was
        told that there was an allowable amount of movement of the wheel
        on the hub.  I have made a cursory search of some of my old
        notes but I could not find that data.  It wasn't much - a
        sixteenth of an inch?  A thirty-seconds of an inch?  This was
        measured at the outside diameter of the tire with the wheel/tire
        off the ground and brakes applied.  The bottom line, I do
        recall, it was not zero. </div>
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        1967 AH 3000 MkIII, HBJ8L39031 </div>
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I don=E2=80=99t think that this ever got to the list

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John Sims

Aberdeen, NJ

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www.healey6.com

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From: John Sims [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
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Subject: FW: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels

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