Subject: Re: [Healeys] Jet-coating, wrap or do nothing to stainless headers?

From: Keith Mott <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:14:58 -0700

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This is a really interesting survey, but what about paint?  I have a set of
mild steel headers that I plan to put on a bugeye I'm restoring.  I don't
really want to leave them bare, and I was planning on painting them with
high-temp paint.

On a slightly different note, my experience with heat and rough running in
my BT7 is exactly the same as Bob's.  I have come to accept that it is
'normal' behavior for these cars although I've always wondered about
wrapping the the exhaust manifold to decrease the heat load on the carbs.

Keith

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Simon Lachlan <[email-masked]
> wrote:

> I have stainless headers going down into a big bore(?) exhaust.
>
> Opinions seem to vary as to the merits of wrapping, coating or doing
> nothing to them .
>
> I have Webers above them, but I suspect, in my ignorance, that these are
> maybe less prone to evaporation issues than SUs.
>
> What does the panel think?
>
> See attached for a well researched synopsis. (Not by me!)
>
> Simon
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This is a really interesting survey, but what about paint?=
=C2=A0 I have a set of mild steel headers that I plan to put on a bugeye I&=
#39;m restoring.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t really want to leave them bare, and I wa=
s planning on painting them with high-temp paint.<div><br></div><div>On a s=
lightly different note, my experience with heat and rough running in my BT7=
 is exactly the same as Bob&#39;s.=C2=A0 I have come to accept that it is &=
#39;normal&#39; behavior for these cars although I&#39;ve always wondered a=
bout wrapping the the exhaust manifold to decrease the heat load on the car=
bs.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Keith=C2=A0<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Simon Lac=
hlan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purp=
le"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have stainless headers going down into a =
big bore(?) exhaust.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Opinions seem =
to vary as to the merits of wrapping, coating or doing nothing to them .<u>=
</u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have Webers above them, but I suspe=
ct, in my ignorance, that these are maybe less prone to evaporation issues =
than SUs.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">What does the panel think=
?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">See attached for a well researche=
d synopsis. (Not by me!)<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><u><=
/u><u></u></font></span></p><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Simon<u></u><u></u></p></font></span></div></div><br=
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 16:23:26 +0000 (UTC)

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I CAN recommend this stuff: http://tinyurl.com/q2z9tod 

Can be sprayed on bare metal (no priming needed) and holds up better than paint. 

Bob 

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This is a really interesting survey, but what about paint? I have a set of mild steel headers that I plan to put on a bugeye I'm restoring. I don't really want to leave them bare, and I was planning on painting them with high-temp paint. 

On a slightly different note, my experience with heat and rough running in my BT7 is exactly the same as Bob's. I have come to accept that it is 'normal' behavior for these cars although I've always wondered about wrapping the the exhaust manifold to decrease the heat load on the carbs. 

Keith 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Simon Lachlan < [email-masked] > wrote: 

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div>I CAN recommend this stuff:&nbsp; <b>http://tinyurl.com/q2z9tod</b=
><br></div><div><br></div><div>Can be sprayed on bare metal (no priming nee=
ded) and holds up better than paint.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Bob<br></=
div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:no=
rmal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,san=
s-serif;font-size:12pt;"><br><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">This is a real=
ly interesting survey, but what about paint?&nbsp; I have a set of mild ste=
el headers that I plan to put on a bugeye I'm restoring.&nbsp; I don't real=
ly want to leave them bare, and I was planning on painting them with high-t=
emp paint.<div><br></div><div>On a slightly different note, my experience w=
ith heat and rough running in my BT7 is exactly the same as Bob's.&nbsp; I =
have come to accept that it is 'normal' behavior for these cars although I'=
ve always wondered about wrapping the the exhaust manifold to decrease the =
heat load on the carbs.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Keith&nbsp;<br><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 a=
t 3:11 AM, Simon Lachlan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simon.lach=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-GB"><br><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have stainless headers going down into a big bor=
e(?) exhaust.<span style=3D"text-decoration: underline;" data-mce-style=3D"=
text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style=3D"text-decoration: underli=
ne;" data-mce-style=3D"text-decoration: underline;"></span></p><br class=3D=
"MsoNormal"></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></=
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 16:31:48 +0000 (UTC)

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Forgot to mention, this stuff needs to be heat-cured. I use a propane torch with a spreader attachment. When you heat it, you can see it going from wet and glossy to dry and 'matte' finished. 

----- Original Message -----

Bob 

----- Original Message -----

Keith 

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div>Forgot to mention, this stuff needs to be heat-cured.&nbsp; I use =
a propane torch with a spreader attachment.&nbsp; When you heat it, you can=
 see it going from wet and glossy to dry and 'matte' finished.<br></div><di=
v><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;fo=
nt-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif=
;font-size:12pt;"><br><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font=
-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>I CAN recommend this stuff:&nbsp; <b>http=
://tinyurl.com/q2z9tod</b><br></div><div><br></div><div>Can be sprayed on b=
are metal (no priming needed) and holds up better than paint.<br></div><div=
><br></div><div>Bob<br></div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div style=3D"=
color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-f=
amily:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><br><div><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">This is a really interesting survey, but what about paint?&nbsp;=
 I have a set of mild steel headers that I plan to put on a bugeye I'm rest=
oring.&nbsp; I don't really want to leave them bare, and I was planning on =
painting them with high-temp paint.<div><br></div><div>On a slightly differ=
ent note, my experience with heat and rough running in my BT7 is exactly th=
e same as Bob's.&nbsp; I have come to accept that it is 'normal' behavior f=
or these cars although I've always wondered about wrapping the the exhaust =
manifold to decrease the heat load on the carbs.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Keith&nbsp;<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div></div></div></div>=
</div><div><br></div><br><div><br></div></div><div><br></div></div></body><=
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From: Keith Mott <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:37:50 -0700

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Thanks. I'll give it a try when I get the headers back from sandblasting.
I'm curious though, why did you heat-cure it with a propane torch?  I would
think the heat from the headers would be sufficient.

Keith

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Forgot to mention, this stuff needs to be heat-cured.  I use a propane
> torch with a spreader attachment.  When you heat it, you can see it going
> from wet and glossy to dry and 'matte' finished.
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> I CAN recommend this stuff:  *http://tinyurl.com/q2z9tod
> <http://tinyurl.com/q2z9tod>*
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> This is a really interesting survey, but what about paint?  I have a set
> of mild steel headers that I plan to put on a bugeye I'm restoring.  I
> don't really want to leave them bare, and I was planning on painting them
> with high-temp paint.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks. I&#39;ll give it a try when I get the headers back=
 from sandblasting.=C2=A0 I&#39;m curious though, why did you heat-cure it =
with a propane torch?=C2=A0 I would think the heat from the headers would b=
e sufficient.<div><br></div><div>Keith<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Bob Spidell <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div>F=
orgot to mention, this stuff needs to be heat-cured.=C2=A0 I use a propane =
torch with a spreader attachment.=C2=A0 When you heat it, you can see it go=
ing from wet and glossy to dry and &#39;matte&#39; finished.<br></div><div>=
<br></div><hr><span class=3D""><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;=
font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if;font-size:12pt"><br><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-=
size:12pt;color:#000000"><div>I CAN recommend this stuff:=C2=A0 <b><a href=
=3D"http://tinyurl.com/q2z9tod" target=3D"_blank">http://tinyurl.com/q2z9to=
d</a></b><br></div><div><br></div><div>Can be sprayed on bare metal (no pri=
ming needed) and holds up better than paint.<br></div><div><br></div><div>B=
ob<br></div><div><br></div><hr><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;=
font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if;font-size:12pt"><br><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">This is a really int=
eresting survey, but what about paint?=C2=A0 I have a set of mild steel hea=
ders that I plan to put on a bugeye I&#39;m restoring.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t re=
ally want to leave them bare, and I was planning on painting them with high=
-temp paint.<div><br></div><div>On a slightly different note, my experience=
 with heat and rough running in my BT7 is exactly the same as Bob&#39;s.=C2=
=A0 I have come to accept that it is &#39;normal&#39; behavior for these ca=
rs although I&#39;ve always wondered about wrapping the the exhaust manifol=
d to decrease the heat load on the carbs.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Ke=
ith=C2=A0<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div></div></div></div></div><=
div><br></div><br><div><br></div></div><div><br></div></span></div></div></=
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I like ZEP brand spray graphite..

On 11/15/2015 9:14 AM, Keith Mott wrote:
> This is a really interesting survey, but what about paint?  I have a 
> set of mild steel headers that I plan to put on a bugeye I'm 
> restoring.  I don't really want to leave them bare, and I was planning 
> on painting them with high-temp paint.
>
> On a slightly different note, my experience with heat and rough 
> running in my BT7 is exactly the same as Bob's.  I have come to accept 
> that it is 'normal' behavior for these cars although I've always 
> wondered about wrapping the the exhaust manifold to decrease the heat 
> load on the carbs.
>
> Keith
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Simon Lachlan 
> wrote:
>
>     Opinions seem to vary as to the merits of wrapping, coating or
>     doing nothing to them .
>
>     I have Webers above them, but I suspect, in my ignorance, that
>     these are maybe less prone to evaporation issues than SUs.
>
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    I like ZEP brand spray graphite..<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/15/2015 9:14 AM, Keith Mott
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:[email-masked]"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">This is a really interesting survey, but what about
        paint?  I have a set of mild steel headers that I plan to put on
        a bugeye I'm restoring.  I don't really want to leave them bare,
        and I was planning on painting them with high-temp paint.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>On a slightly different note, my experience with heat and
          rough running in my BT7 is exactly the same as Bob's.  I have
          come to accept that it is 'normal' behavior for these cars
          although I've always wondered about wrapping the the exhaust
          manifold to decrease the heat load on the carbs. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Keith <br>
          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:11 AM,
              Simon Lachlan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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              wrote:<br>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                <div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-GB">
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">I have stainless headers going
                      down into a big bore(?) exhaust.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Opinions seem to vary as to the
                      merits of wrapping, coating or doing nothing to
                      them .</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">I have Webers above them, but I
                      suspect, in my ignorance, that these are maybe
                      less prone to evaporation issues than SUs.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">What does the panel think?</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">See attached for a well
                      researched synopsis. (Not by me!)<span
                        class="HOEnZb"></span></p>
                    <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Simon</p>
                      </font></span></div>
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 17:15:30 +0000 (UTC)

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<html><body><font face=3D"Helvetica">Should be the case for headers; I used=
 it on my exhaust and I thought it might not get hot enough (400degF IIRC).=
<br><br>Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App</font><blockquote><br>------ O=
riginal Message ------<br><br><b>From: </b>Keith Mott<br><b>To: </b>Bob Spi=
dell<br><b>Cc: </b>healeys<br><b>Sent: </b>November 15, 2015 at 8:37 AM<br>=
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Jet-coating, wrap or do nothing to stainless =
headers?</blockquote><blockquote><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks. I&#39;ll give it =
a try when I get the headers back from sandblasting.&nbsp; I&#39;m curious =
though, why did you heat-cure it with a propane torch?&nbsp; I would think =
the heat from the headers would be sufficient.<div><br></div><div>Keith<br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 15, 2=
015 at 9:31 AM, Bob Spidell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidel=
[email-masked]" >[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color=
:#000000"><div>Forgot to mention, this stuff needs to be heat-cured.&nbsp; =
I use a propane torch with a spreader attachment.&nbsp; When you heat it, y=
ou can see it going from wet and glossy to dry and &#39;matte&#39; finished=
.<br></div><div><br></div><hr><span class=3D""><div style=3D"color:#000;fon=
t-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetic=
a,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div>I CAN recommend this stuff:&n=
bsp; <b><a href=3D"http://tinyurl.com/q2z9tod" >http://tinyurl.com/q2z9tod<=
/a></b><br></div><div><br></div><div>Can be sprayed on bare metal (no primi=
ng needed) and holds up better than paint.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Bob=
<br></div><div><br></div><hr><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;fo=
nt-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif=
;font-size:12pt"><br><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">This is a really inter=
esting survey, but what about paint?&nbsp; I have a set of mild steel heade=
rs that I plan to put on a bugeye I&#39;m restoring.&nbsp; I don&#39;t real=
ly want to leave them bare, and I was planning on painting them with high-t=
emp paint.<div><br></div><div>On a slightly different note, my experience w=
ith heat and rough running in my BT7 is exactly the same as Bob&#39;s.&nbsp=
; I have come to accept that it is &#39;normal&#39; behavior for these cars=
 although I&#39;ve always wondered about wrapping the the exhaust manifold =
to decrease the heat load on the carbs.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Keit=
h&nbsp;<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div></div></div></div></div><di=
v><br></div><br><div><br></div></div><div><br></div></span></div></div></bl=
ockquote></div><br></div></div></div>
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