Subject: Re: [Healeys] OT: Axle Jacking

From: John Vrugtman <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:16:55 -0500

I would suggest there is a reason it is in the manual.

JAV

On 11/18/2015 8:35 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:
> Thought about posting this to shop-talk, but I suspect there's more 
> general car knowledge here.
>
> I believe my Mustang manual has admonitions against jacking the rear 
> by placing a floor jack under the rear pumpkin.  I've jacked-up 
> Healeys this way for years, but the Healey axle housing is a single 
> chunk of iron; the Mustang probably has thin-wall tubes from the 
> pumpkin to the wheels.  Theoretically, you could bend the thin-wall 
> tubes, but I've done it a few times with no noticeable issues.
>
> Thoughts from the Illuminati?
>
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From: Chris Masucci <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:20:18 -0600

Hi Bob,
If you're talking about a standard 8.8" rear, not independent suspension, then it's fine. The axle tubes aren't as thin as you may think.  They are almost 1/4" thick tubing. I jack my 1991 Crown Vic police car the same way and it has the same 8.8" rear and weighs 1000 lbs more. I would recommend welding the axle tubes to the center if you ever plan to drag race with slicks though :)

Chris

>> Thought about posting this to shop-talk, but I suspect there's more general car knowledge here.
>> 
>> I believe my Mustang manual has admonitions against jacking the rear by placing a floor jack under the rear pumpkin.  I've jacked-up Healeys this way for years, but the Healey axle housing is a single chunk of iron; the Mustang probably has thin-wall tubes from the pumpkin to the wheels.  Theoretically, you could bend the thin-wall tubes, but I've done it a few times with no noticeable issues.
>> 

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From: Richard Ewald <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 06:58:07 -0800

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One problem with jacking under the pumpkin is that the suspension is
compressed and it make removal of rear tires difficult if not impossible.
Also using the factory screw jack, there isn't a good way to make sure the
jack doesn't slip off.  The factory jack just has a smallish flat plate on
the top, not the big cup like a floor jack.
Rick

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Chris Masucci <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hi Bob,
> If you're talking about a standard 8.8" rear, not independent suspension,
> then it's fine. The axle tubes aren't as thin as you may think.  They are
> almost 1/4" thick tubing. I jack my 1991 Crown Vic police car the same way
> and it has the same 8.8" rear and weighs 1000 lbs more. I would recommend
> welding the axle tubes to the center if you ever plan to drag race with
> slicks though :)
>
> Chris
>
>
> >
> >> I believe my Mustang manual has admonitions against jacking the rear by
> placing a floor jack under the rear pumpkin.  I've jacked-up Healeys this
> way for years, but the Healey axle housing is a single chunk of iron; the
> Mustang probably has thin-wall tubes from the pumpkin to the wheels.
> Theoretically, you could bend the thin-wall tubes, but I've done it a few
> times with no noticeable issues.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">One problem with jacking under the pumpkin is that the sus=
pension is compressed and it make removal of rear tires difficult if not im=
possible.=C2=A0 Also using the factory screw jack, there isn&#39;t a good w=
ay to make sure the jack doesn&#39;t slip off.=C2=A0 The factory jack just =
has a smallish flat plate on the top, not the big cup like a floor jack. =
=C2=A0<div>Rick</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Chris Masucci <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">cmmasucci@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Bob,<br>
If you&#39;re talking about a standard 8.8&quot; rear, not independent susp=
ension, then it&#39;s fine. The axle tubes aren&#39;t as thin as you may th=
ink.=C2=A0 They are almost 1/4&quot; thick tubing. I jack my 1991 Crown Vic=
 police car the same way and it has the same 8.8&quot; rear and weighs 1000=
 lbs more. I would recommend welding the axle tubes to the center if you ev=
er plan to drag race with slicks though :)<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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</font></span><span class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
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&gt;&gt; On 11/18/2015 8:35 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Thought about posting this to shop-talk, but I suspect there&#39;s=
 more general car knowledge here.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I believe my Mustang manual has admonitions against jacking the re=
ar by placing a floor jack under the rear pumpkin.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve jacked-up=
 Healeys this way for years, but the Healey axle housing is a single chunk =
of iron; the Mustang probably has thin-wall tubes from the pumpkin to the w=
heels.=C2=A0 Theoretically, you could bend the thin-wall tubes, but I&#39;v=
e done it a few times with no noticeable issues.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Thoughts from the Illuminati?<br>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:23:40 +0000 (UTC)

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Given the challenge of getting a floor jack under the exhaust side of of th=
e car, a definitive and authoritative answer to this question would be help=
ful. I haven't done it on the Healey, but I think this practice is pretty c=
ommon.=20

    On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 8:35 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.=
net> wrote:
=20

 Thought about posting this to shop-talk, but I suspect there's more=20
general car knowledge here.

I believe my Mustang manual has admonitions against jacking the rear by=20
placing a floor jack under the rear pumpkin.=C2=A0 I've jacked-up Healeys=
=20
this way for years, but the Healey axle housing is a single chunk of=20
iron; the Mustang probably has thin-wall tubes from the pumpkin to the=20
wheels.=C2=A0 Theoretically, you could bend the thin-wall tubes, but I've=
=20
done it a few times with no noticeable issues.

Bob

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From: Keith Mott <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:34:08 -0700

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This is really surprising to me.  I have always lifted cars by putting a
floor jack under the differential, and I have never had a problem nor have
I heard of any problem with the practice.   I suppose it could be something
specific to Mustangs, but all you have to do is lift a Healey axle housing
(even without the differential) to realize that it's pretty solid.  I can't
believe this is a common problem for all cars, and definitely not for a
Healey.

I CAN see that putting all the pressure on the drain plug at the bottom of
the differential housing could be a problem.

But, of course, now I'll worry about this the next time I jack up my
Healey.  Thanks Bob...  :)

keith

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<div dir=3D"ltr">This is really surprising to me.=C2=A0 I have always lifte=
d cars by putting a floor jack under the differential, and I have never had=
 a problem nor have I heard of any problem with the practice. =C2=A0 I supp=
ose it could be something specific to Mustangs, but all you have to do is l=
ift a Healey axle housing (even without the differential) to realize that i=
t&#39;s pretty solid.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t believe this is a common problem fo=
r all cars, and definitely not for a Healey.<div><br></div><div>I CAN see t=
hat putting all the pressure on the drain plug at the bottom of the differe=
ntial housing could be a problem.</div><div><br></div><div>But, of course, =
now I&#39;ll worry about this the next time I jack up my Healey.=C2=A0 Than=
ks Bob... =C2=A0:)</div><div><br></div><div>keith</div></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:35 PM=
, Bob Spidell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">Thought about posting this to shop-talk, but I suspect=
 there&#39;s more general car knowledge here.<br>
<br>
I believe my Mustang manual has admonitions against jacking the rear by pla=
cing a floor jack under the rear pumpkin.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve jacked-up Healeys =
this way for years, but the Healey axle housing is a single chunk of iron; =
the Mustang probably has thin-wall tubes from the pumpkin to the wheels.=C2=
=A0 Theoretically, you could bend the thin-wall tubes, but I&#39;ve done it=
 a few times with no noticeable issues.<br>
<br>
Thoughts from the Illuminati?<br>
<br>
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From: Derek Job <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:37:44 +0000

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I just use a piece of wood that fits across the rear crossmember. I've
never jacked using the diff.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I just use a piece of wood that fits across the rear cross=
member. I&#39;ve never jacked using the diff.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Keith Mo=
tt <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">This is really surprising to me.=C2=A0 I have alwa=
ys lifted cars by putting a floor jack under the differential, and I have n=
ever had a problem nor have I heard of any problem with the practice. =C2=
=A0 I suppose it could be something specific to Mustangs, but all you have =
to do is lift a Healey axle housing (even without the differential) to real=
ize that it&#39;s pretty solid.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t believe this is a common =
problem for all cars, and definitely not for a Healey.<div><br></div><div>I=
 CAN see that putting all the pressure on the drain plug at the bottom of t=
he differential housing could be a problem.</div><div><br></div><div>But, o=
f course, now I&#39;ll worry about this the next time I jack up my Healey.=
=C2=A0 Thanks Bob... =C2=A0:)</div><div><br></div><div>keith</div></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On =
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0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">Th=
ought about posting this to shop-talk, but I suspect there&#39;s more gener=
al car knowledge here.<br>
<br>
I believe my Mustang manual has admonitions against jacking the rear by pla=
cing a floor jack under the rear pumpkin.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve jacked-up Healeys =
this way for years, but the Healey axle housing is a single chunk of iron; =
the Mustang probably has thin-wall tubes from the pumpkin to the wheels.=C2=
=A0 Theoretically, you could bend the thin-wall tubes, but I&#39;ve done it=
 a few times with no noticeable issues.<br>
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 23:13:58 +0000 (UTC)

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It's a Catch 22; if I jack the rear first, I can't get the jack under the front crossmember, if I jack the front first the only way to jack the rear is to get under the diff from the passenger (non-exhaust) side (on an LHD car). 

I usually get the car up four jackstands to do work under the car. 

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From: "Derek Job" <[email-masked]> 
To: "Keith Mott" <[email-masked]> 
Cc: "Bob Spidell" <[email-masked]>, "healeys" <[email-masked]> 
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:37:44 AM 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OT: Axle Jacking 

I just use a piece of wood that fits across the rear crossmember. I've never jacked using the diff. 

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Keith Mott < [email-masked] > wrote: 

This is really surprising to me. I have always lifted cars by putting a floor jack under the differential, and I have never had a problem nor have I heard of any problem with the practice. I suppose it could be something specific to Mustangs, but all you have to do is lift a Healey axle housing (even without the differential) to realize that it's pretty solid. I can't believe this is a common problem for all cars, and definitely not for a Healey. 

I CAN see that putting all the pressure on the drain plug at the bottom of the differential housing could be a problem. 

But, of course, now I'll worry about this the next time I jack up my Healey. Thanks Bob... :) 

keith 

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">It's a Catch 22; if I jack the rear fi=
rst, I can't get the jack under the front crossmember, if I jack the front =
first the only way to jack the rear is to get under the diff from the passe=
nger (non-exhaust) side (on an LHD car).<br></div><div aria-label=3D"Compos=
e body"><br></div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">I usually get the car up=
 four jackstands to do work under the car.<br></div><div aria-label=3D"Comp=
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rmal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-=
size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Derek Job" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>T=
o: </b>"Keith Mott" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>"Bob Spidell"=
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=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:m=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px=
 #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">This is really surprising=
 to me.&nbsp; I have always lifted cars by putting a floor jack under the d=
ifferential, and I have never had a problem nor have I heard of any problem=
 with the practice. &nbsp; I suppose it could be something specific to Must=
angs, but all you have to do is lift a Healey axle housing (even without th=
e differential) to realize that it's pretty solid.&nbsp; I can't believe th=
is is a common problem for all cars, and definitely not for a Healey.<div><=
br></div><div>I CAN see that putting all the pressure on the drain plug at =
the bottom of the differential housing could be a problem.</div><div><br></=
div><div>But, of course, now I'll worry about this the next time I jack up =
my Healey.&nbsp; Thanks Bob... &nbsp;:)</div><div><br></div><div>keith</div=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span clas=
s=3D"">On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Bob Spidell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><=
/span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; =
border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><span class=3D"">Thought a=
bout posting this to shop-talk, but I suspect there's more general car know=
ledge here.<br> <br> I believe my Mustang manual has admonitions against ja=
cking the rear by placing a floor jack under the rear pumpkin.&nbsp; I've j=
acked-up Healeys this way for years, but the Healey axle housing is a singl=
e chunk of iron; the Mustang probably has thin-wall tubes from the pumpkin =
to the wheels.&nbsp; Theoretically, you could bend the thin-wall tubes, but=
 I've done it a few times with no noticeable issues.<br> <br> Thoughts from=
 the Illuminati?<br> <br> Bob</span></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><=
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Take a look at:

<http://www.healey6.com/Technical/One%20Method%20of%20Raising%20a%20Car%20on
to%20Jack%20Stands.pdf>
http://www.healey6.com/Technical/One%20Method%20of%20Raising%20a%20Car%20ont
o%20Jack%20Stands.pdf

John Sims

Aberdeen, NJ

www.healey6.com

From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Bob
Spidell
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 6:14 PM
Cc: healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OT: Axle Jacking

It's a Catch 22; if I jack the rear first, I can't get the jack under the
front crossmember, if I jack the front first the only way to jack the rear
is to get under the diff from the passenger (non-exhaust) side (on an LHD
car).

 

  _____  

I just use a piece of wood that fits across the rear crossmember. I've never
jacked using the diff.

This is really surprising to me.  I have always lifted cars by putting a
floor jack under the differential, and I have never had a problem nor have I
heard of any problem with the practice.   I suppose it could be something
specific to Mustangs, but all you have to do is lift a Healey axle housing
(even without the differential) to realize that it's pretty solid.  I can't
believe this is a common problem for all cars, and definitely not for a
Healey.

But, of course, now I'll worry about this the next time I jack up my Healey.
Thanks Bob...  :)

keith

Thought about posting this to shop-talk, but I suspect there's more general
car knowledge here.

Bob

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>Take a look at:<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://www.healey6.com/Technical/One%20Method%20of%20Raising%20a%=
20Car%20onto%20Jack%20Stands.pdf"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI","sans-serif"'>http://www.healey6.com/Technical/One%20Method%20of%20Ra=
ising%20a%20Car%20onto%20Jack%20Stands.pdf</span></a><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>John Sims<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>Aberdeen, NJ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>www.healey6.com<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob =
Spidell<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 19, 2015 6:14 =
PM<br><b>Cc:</b> healeys<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] OT: Axle =
Jacking<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>It's a Catch 22; =
if I jack the rear first, I can't get the jack under the front =
crossmember, if I jack the front first the only way to jack the rear is =
to get under the diff from the passenger (non-exhaust) side (on an LHD =
car).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I usually get the =
car up four jackstands to do work under the =
car.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=3D2 =
width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter id=3Dzwchr></span></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From: =
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&quot;Derek =
Job&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>To: </b>&quot;Keith Mott&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:=
 </b>&quot;Bob Spidell&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, =
&quot;healeys&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:37:44 AM<br><b>Subject: =
</b>Re: [Healeys] OT: Axle Jacking<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I just use a =
piece of wood that fits across the rear crossmember. I've never jacked =
using the diff.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On Thu, Nov =
19, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Keith Mott &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>This is =
really surprising to me.&nbsp; I have always lifted cars by putting a =
floor jack under the differential, and I have never had a problem nor =
have I heard of any problem with the practice. &nbsp; I suppose it could =
be something specific to Mustangs, but all you have to do is lift a =
Healey axle housing (even without the differential) to realize that it's =
pretty solid.&nbsp; I can't believe this is a common problem for all =
cars, and definitely not for a Healey.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I CAN see =
that putting all the pressure on the drain plug at the bottom of the =
differential housing could be a =
problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>But, of =
course, now I'll worry about this the next time I jack up my =
Healey.&nbsp; Thanks Bob... &nbsp;:)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>keith<o:p></o:=
p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On Wed, Nov =
18, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Bob Spidell &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thought about =
posting this to shop-talk, but I suspect there's more general car =
knowledge here.<br><br>I believe my Mustang manual has admonitions =
against jacking the rear by placing a floor jack under the rear =
pumpkin.&nbsp; I've jacked-up Healeys this way for years, but the Healey =
axle housing is a single chunk of iron; the Mustang probably has =
thin-wall tubes from the pumpkin to the wheels.&nbsp; Theoretically, you =
could bend the thin-wall tubes, but I've done it a few times with no =
noticeable issues.<br><br>Thoughts from the =
Illuminati?<br><br>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div=
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From: Per Schoerner <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 00:58:37 +0100

I have two "ramps" made of 2 by 6 inch wood that I drive the car up on. 
it raises the car so I can get the jack under it wherever I want.

Per

Den 2015-11-20 kl. 00:36, skrev John Sims:
> Take a look at:
>
> http://www.healey6.com/Technical/One%20Method%20of%20Raising%20a%20Car%20onto%20Jack%20Stands.pdf
>
> John Sims
>

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From: Derek Job <[email-masked]>
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Bob,

I use a low access racing jack which can get under the back even if the
front is on axle stands.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote:

> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Derek Job" <[email-masked]>
> *To: *"Keith Mott" <[email-masked]>
> *Cc: *"Bob Spidell" <[email-masked]>, "healeys" <
> [email-masked]>
> *Sent: *Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:37:44 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] OT: Axle Jacking
>
>> I CAN see that putting all the pressure on the drain plug at the bottom
>> of the differential housing could be a problem.
>>

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ch can get under the back even if the front is on axle stands.</div><div><b=
r></div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Bob Spidell <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@com=
cast.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><di=
v style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div>It&#39;s a =
Catch 22; if I jack the rear first, I can&#39;t get the jack under the fron=
t crossmember, if I jack the front first the only way to jack the rear is t=
o get under the diff from the passenger (non-exhaust) side (on an LHD car).=
<br></div><div><br></div><div>I usually get the car up four jackstands to d=
o work under the car.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div=
><hr><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-dec=
oration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From=
: </b>&quot;Derek Job&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>To: </b>&quot;Keith Mot=
t&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mottma=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>&quot;Bob Spidell&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
, &quot;healeys&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, Novemb=
er 19, 2015 9:37:44 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] OT: Axle Jacking<sp=
an class=3D""><br><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I just use a piece of woo=
d that fits across the rear crossmember. I&#39;ve never jacked using the di=
ff.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, =
Nov 19, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Keith Mott <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">This is really su=
rprising to me.=C2=A0 I have always lifted cars by putting a floor jack und=
er the differential, and I have never had a problem nor have I heard of any=
 problem with the practice. =C2=A0 I suppose it could be something specific=
 to Mustangs, but all you have to do is lift a Healey axle housing (even wi=
thout the differential) to realize that it&#39;s pretty solid.=C2=A0 I can&=
#39;t believe this is a common problem for all cars, and definitely not for=
 a Healey.<div><br></div><div>I CAN see that putting all the pressure on th=
e drain plug at the bottom of the differential housing could be a problem.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>But, of course, now I&#39;ll worry about this the =
next time I jack up my Healey.=C2=A0 Thanks Bob... =C2=A0:)</div><div><br><=
/div><div>keith</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><span>On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Bob Spidell <span dir=3D"l=
tr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@=
comcast.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<span>Thought about posting this to shop-talk, but I suspect there&#39;s mo=
re general car knowledge here.<br> <br> I believe my Mustang manual has adm=
onitions against jacking the rear by placing a floor jack under the rear pu=
mpkin.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve jacked-up Healeys this way for years, but the Healey =
axle housing is a single chunk of iron; the Mustang probably has thin-wall =
tubes from the pumpkin to the wheels.=C2=A0 Theoretically, you could bend t=
he thin-wall tubes, but I&#39;ve done it a few times with no noticeable iss=
ues.<br> <br> Thoughts from the Illuminati?<br> <br> Bob</span></blockquote=
></div></div></blockquote></div></div></span></div></div></div><br>________=
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From: Michael Oritt <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:46:38 -0500

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This jack requires less than 3" ground clearance and has an extra-long
reach:

http://www.harborfreight.com/2-ton-Low-ProfileLong-Reach-Steel-Heavy-Duty-Floor-Jack-with-Rapid-Pump-60678.html

Even with the front of the car up and on stands I am able to jack up the
Healey via the rear cross member without having to come in from the right
side.

Best--Michael Oritt

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)=
">This jack requires less than 3&quot; ground clearance and has an extra-lo=
ng reach:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"http://www.harborfreight.com/2-ton-Low-ProfileLong-Reach-Stee=
l-Heavy-Duty-Floor-Jack-with-Rapid-Pump-60678.html">http://www.harborfreigh=
t.com/2-ton-Low-ProfileLong-Reach-Steel-Heavy-Duty-Floor-Jack-with-Rapid-Pu=
mp-60678.html</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,5=
1,255)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255=
)">Even with the front of the car up and on stands I am able to jack up the=
 Healey via the rear cross member without having to come in from the right =
side.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">Best--Mic=
hael Oritt</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:53 AM, Derek Job <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">B=
ob,<div><br></div><div>I use a low access racing jack which can get under t=
he back even if the front is on axle stands.</div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu=
, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Bob Spidell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div>It&#39;s a Catch 22; if I jack =
the rear first, I can&#39;t get the jack under the front crossmember, if I =
jack the front first the only way to jack the rear is to get under the diff=
 from the passenger (non-exhaust) side (on an LHD car).<br></div><div><br><=
/div><div>I usually get the car up four jackstands to do work under the car=
.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr><div style=3D"c=
olor:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-fa=
mily:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From: </b>&quot;Derek Jo=
b&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">dere=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>To: </b>&quot;Keith Mott&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;<br><b>Cc: </b>&quot;Bob Spidell&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@com=
cast.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, &quot;healeys&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healeys@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:37:44 =
AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] OT: Axle Jacking<span><br><div><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">I just use a piece of wood that fits across the rear cro=
ssmember. I&#39;ve never jacked using the diff.</div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Keith =
Mott <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">This is really surprising to me.=C2=A0 I have al=
ways lifted cars by putting a floor jack under the differential, and I have=
 never had a problem nor have I heard of any problem with the practice. =C2=
=A0 I suppose it could be something specific to Mustangs, but all you have =
to do is lift a Healey axle housing (even without the differential) to real=
ize that it&#39;s pretty solid.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t believe this is a common =
problem for all cars, and definitely not for a Healey.<div><br></div><div>I=
 CAN see that putting all the pressure on the drain plug at the bottom of t=
he differential housing could be a problem.</div><div><br></div><div>But, o=
f course, now I&#39;ll worry about this the next time I jack up my Healey.=
=C2=A0 Thanks Bob... =C2=A0:)</div><div><br></div><div>keith</div></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span>On Wed, Nov 18=
, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Bob Spidell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspi=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br></span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>Thought about posting th=
is to shop-talk, but I suspect there&#39;s more general car knowledge here.=
<br> <br> I believe my Mustang manual has admonitions against jacking the r=
ear by placing a floor jack under the rear pumpkin.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve jacked-u=
p Healeys this way for years, but the Healey axle housing is a single chunk=
 of iron; the Mustang probably has thin-wall tubes from the pumpkin to the =
wheels.=C2=A0 Theoretically, you could bend the thin-wall tubes, but I&#39;=
ve done it a few times with no noticeable issues.<br> <br> Thoughts from th=
e Illuminati?<br> <br> Bob</span></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></di=
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