Subject: Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels

From: Ron Mitchell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 16:29:55 +0000 (UTC)

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Figure this one? =C2=A0I have had two Spline failures. =C2=A0
1. =C2=A0Right rear wheel spline got wiped out and I heard a very loud grin=
ding sound when I applied the brakes. =C2=A0I was able to drive home. =C2=
=A0It was almost impossible to get the Knock Off Nut off. =C2=A0I was event=
ually successful using a 20 LB sledge hammer.
2. =C2=A0Left front hub spline got wiped out when I applied the brakes comi=
ng up to a stop light. =C2=A0I heard the same grinding sound. =C2=A0I knew =
that the spine was gone after the rear wheel incident. =C2=A0I slowly drove=
 into a parking lot. The Knock Off Nut was loose. =C2=A0I called a fellow c=
lub member for assistance. =C2=A0He brought me a floor jack and with the wh=
eel off the ground we tightened the Knock Off Nut as tight as it would go. =
=C2=A0I then proceeded to slowly follow him home using the hand brake to st=
op. =C2=A0Unfortunately when coming up to the next traffic light a guy cut =
me off and I made the mistake of hitting the brake pedal. =C2=A0Again the g=
rinding sound and then the wheel came off, continued down the road into the=
 side of a pick up truck. =C2=A0Fortunately I was going slow enough that I =
didn't damage anything. =C2=A0The car just dropped down on the Brake Rotor.=
 =C2=A0I retrieved the wheel and was able to get the car off the ground so =
as to put the wheel back on and proceeded to my friends garage where I left=
 it until I could get it home and replace the Hub. =C2=A0I have since repla=
ced all Hubs, Knock off and Wheels.
Question why did the left front loosen and come off while the right rear ti=
ghtened to a point that I was ready to torch the wheel off?
Ron Mitchell

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sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446910883557_5333">Figu=
re this one? &nbsp;I have had two Spline failures. &nbsp;</div><div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1446910883557_5333"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144691088=
3557_5333">1. &nbsp;Right rear wheel spline got wiped out and I heard a ver=
y loud grinding sound when I applied the brakes. &nbsp;I was able to drive =
home. &nbsp;It was almost impossible to get the Knock Off Nut off. &nbsp;I =
was eventually successful using a 20 LB sledge hammer.</div><div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1446910883557_5333"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144691088355=
7_5333">2. &nbsp;Left front hub spline got wiped out when I applied the bra=
kes coming up to a stop light. &nbsp;I heard the same grinding sound. &nbsp=
;I knew that the spine was gone after the rear wheel incident. &nbsp;I slow=
ly drove into a parking lot. The Knock Off Nut was loose. &nbsp;I called a =
fellow club member for assistance. &nbsp;He brought me a floor jack and wit=
h the wheel off the ground we tightened the Knock Off Nut as tight as it wo=
uld go. &nbsp;I then proceeded to slowly follow him home using the hand bra=
ke to stop. &nbsp;Unfortunately when coming up to the next traffic light a =
guy cut me off and I made the mistake of hitting the brake pedal. &nbsp;Aga=
in the grinding sound and then the wheel came off, continued down the road =
into the side of a pick up truck. &nbsp;Fortunately I was going slow enough=
 that I didn't damage anything. &nbsp;The car just dropped down on the Brak=
e Rotor. &nbsp;I retrieved the wheel and was able to get the car off the gr=
ound so as to put the wheel back on and proceeded to my friends garage wher=
e I left it until I could get it home and replace the Hub. &nbsp;I have sin=
ce replaced all Hubs, Knock off and Wheels.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
46910883557_5333"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446910883557_5333">Que=
stion why did the left front loosen and come off while the right rear tight=
ened to a point that I was ready to torch the wheel off?</div><div id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1446910883557_5333"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446910883=
557_5333">Ron Mitchell</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446910883557_5333"><br=
 id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446910883557_14083"></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446=
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From: Oudesluys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 19:16:16 +0100

Op 7-11-2015 om 17:29 schreef Ron Mitchell:
> Question why did the left front loosen and come off while the right 
> rear tightened to a point that I was ready to torch the wheel off?
  Because it should have been fitted to the rhs by the PO?
Kees Oudesluijs
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From: Bob Haskell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 16:28:37 -0500

Ron,

When driving forward the wheels are rotating in the 'undo' direction. 
If the splines are gone, the wheel will continue to rotate with the 
knock-off when the brakes are applied.  That would explain the left 
front wheel.

In the case of the rear wheels, the torque from accelerating will 
tighten the knock-off.

Cheers,

Bob Haskell
AHCA 3000 Mk I registrar
http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php

On 11/07/2015 11:29 AM, Ron Mitchell wrote:
> Figure this one?  I have had two Spline failures.
>
> 1.  Right rear wheel spline got wiped out and I heard a very loud
> grinding sound when I applied the brakes.  I was able to drive home.  It
> was almost impossible to get the Knock Off Nut off.  I was eventually
> successful using a 20 LB sledge hammer.
>
> 2.  Left front hub spline got wiped out when I applied the brakes coming
> up to a stop light.  I heard the same grinding sound.  I knew that the
> spine was gone after the rear wheel incident.  I slowly drove into a
> parking lot. The Knock Off Nut was loose.  I called a fellow club member
> for assistance.  He brought me a floor jack and with the wheel off the
> ground we tightened the Knock Off Nut as tight as it would go.  I then
> proceeded to slowly follow him home using the hand brake to stop.
>   Unfortunately when coming up to the next traffic light a guy cut me
> off and I made the mistake of hitting the brake pedal.  Again the
> grinding sound and then the wheel came off, continued down the road into
> the side of a pick up truck.  Fortunately I was going slow enough that I
> didn't damage anything.  The car just dropped down on the Brake Rotor.
>   I retrieved the wheel and was able to get the car off the ground so as
> to put the wheel back on and proceeded to my friends garage where I left
> it until I could get it home and replace the Hub.  I have since replaced
> all Hubs, Knock off and Wheels.
>
> Question why did the left front loosen and come off while the right rear
> tightened to a point that I was ready to torch the wheel off?
>
> Ron Mitchell
>
>
>
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From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 03:06:38 +0000

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If the wheels are turning in the undo direction you are doing it wrong. The=
 nut on the right wheel should have a left hand thread  and the nut on the =
left wheel should have a right hand thread. Imagine you are Superman and as=
 the car is driving by you reach out and grab the center lock nut. If the n=
ut would tend to tighten it is correct. If it would tend to loosen it is on=
 the wrong side. If that's the case you are going to lose a wheel.

Bill Lawrence

> To: [email-masked]=3B [email-masked]
> From: [email-masked]
> Date: Sat=2C 7 Nov 2015 16:28:37 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels
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> Ron=2C
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> When driving forward the wheels are rotating in the 'undo' direction.=20
> If the splines are gone=2C the wheel will continue to rotate with the=20
> knock-off when the brakes are applied.  That would explain the left=20
> front wheel.
>=20
> In the case of the rear wheels=2C the torque from accelerating will=20
> tighten the knock-off.
>=20
> Cheers=2C
>=20
> Bob Haskell
> AHCA 3000 Mk I registrar
>=20
> On 11/07/2015 11:29 AM=2C Ron Mitchell wrote:
> > grinding sound when I applied the brakes.  I was able to drive home.  I=
t
> > 2.  Left front hub spline got wiped out when I applied the brakes comin=
g
> > parking lot. The Knock Off Nut was loose.  I called a fellow club membe=
r
> > grinding sound and then the wheel came off=2C continued down the road i=
nto
> > the side of a pick up truck.  Fortunately I was going slow enough that =
I
> >   I retrieved the wheel and was able to get the car off the ground so a=
s
> > to put the wheel back on and proceeded to my friends garage where I lef=
t
> > it until I could get it home and replace the Hub.  I have since replace=
d
> > all Hubs=2C Knock off and Wheels.
> >
> > Question why did the left front loosen and come off while the right rea=
r
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 undo direction you are doing it wrong. The nut on the right wheel should h=
ave a left hand thread&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3Band the nut on the left wheel should =
have a right hand thread. Imagine you are Superman and as the car is drivin=
g by you reach out and grab the center lock nut. If the nut would tend to t=
ighten it is correct. If it would tend to loosen it is on the wrong side. I=
f that&#39=3Bs the case you are going to lose a wheel.<br><br>Bill Lawrence=
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1=3BHealeys&#93=3B Splines and Wheels<br>> <br>> Ron=2C<br>> <br>> When dri=
ving forward the wheels are rotating in the &#39=3Bundo&#39=3B direction. <=
br>> If the splines are gone=2C the wheel will continue to rotate with the =
<br>> knock-off when the brakes are applied.  That would explain the left <=
br>> front wheel.<br>> <br>> In the case of the rear wheels=2C the torque f=
rom accelerating will <br>> tighten the knock-off.<br>> <br>> Cheers=2C<br>=
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From: [email-masked]
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 22:47:51 -0800

I think that both Bill and Bob are accurately describing the situation
from two different perspectives.  Bob is describing it from the
viewpoint of the wheel when the splines are worn out and the brakes
only stop the brake drum, not the wheel.  Bill is describing it from
the viewpoint of the knock off nut as the wheel turns in normal
operation.

-Roland

On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 03:06:38 +0000, you wrote:

>If the wheels are turning in the undo direction you are doing it wrong. The nut on the right wheel should have a left hand thread  and the nut on the left wheel should have a right hand thread. Imagine you are Superman and as the car is driving by you reach out and grab the center lock nut. If the nut would tend to tighten it is correct. If it would tend to loosen it is on the wrong side. If that's the case you are going to lose a wheel.
>
>Bill Lawrence
>
>> To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
>> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 16:28:37 -0500

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