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Im in! =A0I want a copy=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: J=
ohn Perkins <wrench@attglobal.net>=0ATo: List for the Z Magnette Group - No=
rth America <zmagnette@autox.team.net> =0ASent: Friday, December 6, 2013 1:=
24 PM=0ASubject: Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens=0A =0A=0A=
=0AAllen:=0A=A0=A0=A0 The longest time for me to build the wiring diagram i=
n Visio=0A is the time to build the icons for the various components t=
o look=0A as much like the original diagram as possible.=A0 Would $2.0=
0 a copy=0A for PDFs be too much?=A0 That way people who want to print=
it can=0A take the PDF to their nearest Kinko's and those who like to=
use a=0A PC or tablet could use it electronically.=A0 Also, I will ne=
ed some=0A input about what size most folks would want it to be for pr=
inting=0A and the corrections that need to made.=A0 I know about the w=
iper=0A motor, and I'll check about the clock when I get home tonight,=
are=0A there any more problems?=0A=A0=A0=A0 Perkins=0A=A0=A0=A0 =0AOn=
12/6/2013 1:30 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:=0A=0APerkins, =0A>=0A>=0A>I thin=
k your idea sounds like a plan, but I also think you should be paid for you=
r time and effort. =A0If you could hang a price tag on the completed item, =
perhaps we could price it out and have folks receive the PDF file once they=
're paid, or maybe there are a handful of us on the list who just want to k=
ick in enough that you would be comfortable distributing it to all. =A0What=
works for you?=0A>=0A>=0A>Thanks!=0A>Allen=0A>=0A>************************=
****************************************Allen & Florrie Bachelder =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =3Diii=3D<=0A>Spring Creek=0A =
Home for=0A =
Wayward MGs=0A>'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT=0A>North Street,=
MI 48049, USAhttp://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs******************=
********************************************** =0A>=0A>On Dec 6, 2013, at 1=
2:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:=0A>=0A>Rick and Allen:=0A>>=A0=A0=A0 As I'm si=
tting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the=0A wiring diagra=
m in Visio and color the wires in as=0A correct a color as V=
isio will allow.=A0 Then output it as=0A a PDF file that any=
one could print on either 8.5 by 11=0A or 11 by 17 paper.=A0=
We could even use this to fix the=0A problem with the wiper=
motor wiring that is in the=0A factory shop manual.=0A>>=A0=
=A0=A0 Perkins=0A>>=0A>>On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:=0A>=
>=0A>>Allen et al.,=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Regarding (1): =A0I would be happy to =
scan the wiring diagrams from the shop manual. =A0My scanner is a cheap hp =
printer, but it could produce a workable digital image. =A0Then anyone coul=
d print and laminate their own from the digital file. =A0=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=
If you want an artistic version, suitable for framing, you might want to us=
e a better scanner though.=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Let me know if you want a digit=
al scan.=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>--Rick=0A>>>=0A>>>On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Al=
len Bachelder wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>In a recent phone conversation with one of =
our own, two concerns arose which I promised to address about a week ago. =
=A0I apologize for the delay, but my past week has been memorable for its i=
nterruptions. =A0 =0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Two questions:=0A>>>>1.) =A0Is there=
somebody in our noble band who either could or would be interested in maki=
ng up enlarged wiring diagrams for the Magnette. I know there are at least =
four of them, and maybe some choices would have to be made, but did somebod=
y volunteer that they could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy either l=
aminated or suitable for lamination? If you are not such a person but have =
access to equipment that could produce same, for a PRICE of course, I can g=
uaranty you sales of two of these from the get-go. =A0I know we discussed t=
his at some time but cannot recall how we left it.=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>2=
.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or two ago, and somebody f=
ound that Pilkington (?name?) had a US distribution center (somewhere in Oh=
io?) from which we might be able to expect a supply of new windscreens. =A0=
Is there a follow-up story here? There are those of us who either need one =
or would buy one as a spare should they become available. =A0Once again, an=
y new information about this would certainly be welcome. =A0I know the nigh=
tmare Steve Hanegan went through to land a shipment of windscreens and rear=
Varitone glasses here in the US of A. =A0I suspect a good many of those of=
us of the Varitone persuasion would be cheered to find a stash of these bi=
ts available in North America, but I wouldn't wish this task on Steve again=
for anything. =A0So... can anybody report anything new on this concern?=0A=
>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0AMany thanks to anybody who can contribute to this conversat=
ion! =0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Holiday Cheers,=0A>>>>Allen=0A>>>>=0A>>>>********=
********************************************************Allen & Florrie Bac=
helder =A0 =A0 =A0 =3Diii=3D<=0A>>>>Spring Creek=0A =
Home for=0A =
Wayward MGs=0A>>>>'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 =
B/GT=0A>>>>North Street, MI 48049, USAhttp://www.mgexperience.net/member/ba=
chldrs**************************************************************** =0A>=
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t; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, Dece=
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to use a=0A PC or tablet could use it electronically. Also, I wi=
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tonight, are=0A there any more problems?<br>=0A  =
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the list who just want to kick in=0A enough that you would be comfor=
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Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:</div>=0A <br class=
=3D"yiv1457154033Apple-interchange-newline">=0A <blockquote type=
=3D"cite">=0A=0A =0A <div>=0A <div class=
=3D"yiv1457154033moz-cite-prefix">Rick and Allen:<br>=0A &nb=
sp; As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the=0A =
wiring diagram in Visio and color the wires in as=0A =
correct a color as Visio will allow. Then output it as=0A =
a PDF file that anyone could print on either 8.5 by 11=0A =
or 11 by 17 paper. We could even use this to fix the=0A =
problem with the wiper motor wiring that is in the=0A =
factory shop manual.<br>=0A Perkins<br=
>=0A <br>=0A On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard G=
reenberg wrote:<br>=0A </div>=0A <blockquote type=
=3D"cite">=0A <div>Allen et al.,</div>=0A <di=
v><br>=0A </div>=0A <div>Regarding (1):  =
;I would be happy to scan the wiring=0A diagrams from the =
shop manual. My scanner is a cheap=0A hp printer, bu=
t it could produce a workable digital=0A image. Then=
anyone could print and laminate their own=0A from the dig=
ital file. </div>=0A <div><br>=0A </div=
>=0A <div>If you want an artistic version, suitable for=0A =
framing, you might want to use a better scanner=0A =
though.</div>=0A <div><br>=0A </div>=
=0A <div>Let me know if you want a digital scan.</div>=0A =
<div><br>=0A </div>=0A <div>--Ri=
ck</div>=0A <br>=0A <div>=0A =
<div>On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder=0A wr=
ote:</div>=0A <br class=3D"yiv1457154033Apple-interchange-=
newline">=0A <blockquote type=3D"cite">=0A =
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;=0A">In a recent phone=0A =
conversation with one of our own, two concerns=0A =
arose which I promised to address about a week=0A =
ago. I apologize for the delay, but my past week=0A =
has been memorable for its interruptions. =0A =
<div><br>=0A </div>=0A <div>=
Two questions:</div>=0A <blockquote class=3D"yiv145715=
4033webkit-indent-blockquote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;paddin=
g:0px;">=0A <div>1.) Is there somebody in our =
noble band=0A who either could or would be interes=
ted in=0A making up enlarged wiring diagrams for t=
he=0A Magnette. I know there are at least four of=
=0A them, and maybe some choices would have to be=
=0A made, but did somebody volunteer that they=0A =
could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy=0A =
either laminated or suitable for lamination?=0A =
If you are not such a person but have access=0A =
to equipment that could produce same, for a=0A =
PRICE of course, I can guaranty you sales of=0A =
two of these from the get-go. I know we=0A =
discussed this at some time but cannot recall=0A =
how we left it.</div>=0A <div><br>=0A =
</div>=0A <div>2.) We also focu=
sed on a windscreen thread=0A a year or two ago, a=
nd somebody found that=0A Pilkington (?name?) had =
a US distribution=0A center (somewhere in Ohio?) f=
rom which we=0A might be able to expect a supply o=
f new=0A windscreens. Is there a follow-up s=
tory here?=0A There are those of us who either nee=
d one or=0A would buy one as a spare should they b=
ecome=0A available. Once again, any new info=
rmation=0A about this would certainly be welcome. =
I know=0A the nightmare Steve Hanegan went t=
hrough to=0A land a shipment of windscreens and re=
ar=0A Varitone glasses here in the US of A. =
I=0A suspect a good many of those of us of the=0A =
Varitone persuasion would be cheered to find a=0A =
stash of these bits available in North=0A =
America, but I wouldn't wish this task on=0A =
Steve again for anything. So... can anybody=0A =
report anything new on this concern?</div>=0A =
<div><br>=0A </div>=0A =
</blockquote>=0A Many thanks to anybody who can contr=
ibute to this=0A conversation!=0A =
<div><br>=0A </div>=0A <div>Holi=
day Cheers,</div>=0A <div>Allen<br>=0A =
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