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Re: [TR] Another story from back in the day

To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wT41Z7Sr7lWb/NNa0ok/CxFU+ca4mI1T9W3gRyoVb1iravuBMBQNnDZ1jAKQU0ZPEWXpWQj voUJCMCMH7dsajEEAwOP0SkixfhX0GTPCfQH2yN4+xXETXCJ0pLieqHrJ1snoBvXXLlxzyn D+Fdt9CRXoGGqTXPSQEYQ==
Subject: Re: [TR] Another story from back in the day
From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney@gmx.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2026 18:08:33 +0000
Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
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=E2=80=98=E2=80=98Twas not I that chose the name. Doubt it if anyone now kno=
ws. Certainly Cold War epoch and you were usually required to cross yourself=
 before entering. When I put the key numbers to the site buildings, I though=
t it better to write Social Club, rather than its more usual name of the =E2=
=80=98Glue Pot=E2=80=99. Whatever you called it, the number of people emergi=
ng from it after the lunch break were mostly seriously the worse for wear wi=
th booze - and then went back to operating machinery! Those were the days we=
 recall where =E2=80=98elf =E2=80=98n safety was for the birds:)

JM

> On 7 Mar 2026, at 16:12, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
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> So you chose Kremlin over Taj Ma Conventry.  A sign of the times, I guess.=
  What with he cold war in full swing and all.  Were the hoi palloi required=
 to prostrate themselves before entering or were they just barred all togeth=
er?  Of course that is just a rhetorical question.  We all know the answer.
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> Many thanks for the remembrances.=20
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> Dave=20
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> On Saturday, March 7, 2026 at 08:17:05 AM CST, John Macartney <johnbmacart=
ney@gmx.com> wrote:
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> Sorry, my fault. =E2=80=9CThe Kremlin=E2=80=9D came about in the mid 1950=E2=
=80=99s and was in use by former CEO, Alice Dick, and a limited number of hi=
s cohorts. Constructed at a time when there was some profligacy with company=
 finances. When Leyland bought the company in 1961, it fell into disuse. Rat=
her than demolish it, the decision was taken to use it for odd conferences a=
nd as a new car handover point for VIPs. When I knew it, the facility was st=
ill rather ostentatious and IMHO, overly opulent for the purposes it didn=E2=
=80=99t really serve.
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> JM
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>> On 7 Mar 2026, at 12:35, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
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>> Another great history of life at Triumph. =20
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>> The only thing is there is a need for a little explanation regarding one o=
f the buildings in the map of the site.  Kremlin?!!!
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>> Dave=20
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>> On Friday, March 6, 2026 at 09:35:02 AM CST, JOHN MACARTNEY <johnbmacartn=
ey@gmx.com> wrote:
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>> An anecdote that no Public Relations professional is ever likely to admit=
 to. Enjoy.
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>> Jonmac
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=80=98=E2=80=98Twas not I that chose the name. Doubt it if anyone now knows.=
 Certainly Cold War epoch and you were usually required to cross yourself be=
fore entering. When I put the key numbers to the site buildings, I thought i=
t better to write Social Club, rather than its more usual name of the =E2=80=
=98Glue Pot=E2=80=99. Whatever you called it, the number of people emerging f=
rom it after the lunch break were mostly seriously the worse for wear with b=
ooze - and then went back to operating machinery! Those were the days we rec=
all where =E2=80=98elf =E2=80=98n safety was for the birds:)</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">JM</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 7 Mar 2026,=
 at 16:12, DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1masse=
y@cs.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div class=3D"ydp1ff4bc9cyahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Arial, H=
elvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"f=
alse">So you chose Kremlin over Taj Ma Conventry.&nbsp; A sign of the times,=
 I guess.&nbsp; What with he cold war in full swing and all.&nbsp; Were the h=
oi palloi required to prostrate themselves before entering or were they just=
 barred all together?&nbsp; Of course that is just a rhetorical question.&nb=
sp; We all know the answer.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Many thanks for the remembrance=
s.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp1ff4bc9csignature"><div style=3D=
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                        On Saturday, March 7, 2026 at 08:17:05 AM CST, John M=
acartney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com";>johnbmacartney@gmx.co=
m</a>&gt; wrote:
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tr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry, my fault. =E2=80=9CThe Kremlin=E2=80=9D ca=
me about in the mid 1950=E2=80=99s and was in use by former CEO, Alice Dick,=
 and a limited number of his cohorts. Constructed at a time when there was s=
ome profligacy with company finances. When Leyland bought the company in 196=
1, it fell into disuse. Rather than demolish it, the decision was taken to u=
se it for odd conferences and as a new car handover point for VIPs. When I k=
new it, the facility was still rather ostentatious and IMHO, overly opulent f=
or the purposes it didn=E2=80=99t really serve.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">JM</div><div id=3D"ydp105ad43eyiv5073565=
107yqt19337" class=3D"ydp105ad43eyiv5073565107yqt4023728562"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><br clear=3D"none">On 7 Mar 2026, at 12:35, DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a shape=3D"r=
ect" href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">d=
ave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:Arial, H=
elvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" class=3D"ydp105ad43eyiv5073565107ydp28=
868561yahoo-style-wrap"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Another great history of life a=
t Triumph.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">The only thing is there is a need for a little explanation regard=
ing one of the buildings in the map of the site.&nbsp; Kremlin?!!!</div><div=
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                        On Friday, March 6, 2026 at 09:35:02 AM CST, JOHN MA=
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