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David Northrup-
I think you have being an "asshole" confused with being a "patriot". Have
you ever heard of being a "gentleman"?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kPUyh2wHMT2UVpaJ6
If anyone would like to help, please consider making a donation to the
Armagh Volunteer Fire Department.
Cheers
Albert
TRF
Onward and Upward
On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 2:04=E2=80=AFPM Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Against my better judgement. Whether your statements are actionable is
> debatable.
>
> However, the actionable in this case has nothing to do with free speech
> and government action. Freedom of speech relates to the limitations on t=
he
> government taking action against you based on something you said (or wrot=
e
> or otherwise communicated).
>
> That doesn't keep a party who may be injured or damaged by something you
> say either verbally or in writing from suing you in a civil action. Or a=
s
> I like to say, in this great country of ours anybody can sue anybody for
> anything.
>
> Please don't make it political when it is not. Kind of a sad state of
> affairs when every little thing that doesn't go somebody's way or is
> perceived as an attack, insult, or slight, has to attributed to one "side=
"
> or the other .
>
> Greg Lemon
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 8:58 AM dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>
>> suggesting that my words are "actionable" shows an extreme ignorance of
>> the law and the constitution.
>>
>>
>>
>> despite what the Biden administration, the DOJ, and liberal democrats
>> have been pushing, this is a country of free speech and it means exactly
>> that.
>>
>>
>>
>> the arson investigators will be seriously looking at this. the fire
>> occurred at a time when no one would be working late and no one, includi=
ng
>> the volunteer firefighters or witnesses, would be around. And, if as so=
me
>> have suggested, that the business was struggling, that just adds more fu=
el
>> to the fire
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jim Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 5:41 AM
>> *To:* Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>; Listserv Triumph <
>> triumphs@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Junk]Re: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry and Steve,
>>
>> Well said and I completely agree with you. There is no place for positin=
g
>> such negative and actionable language on a public platform without facts
>> and at a time of great loss. My heart is heavy for the Runyan family and
>> TRF employees. TRF has been an important family member to me for the pa=
st
>> 30 years and the loss is devastating to our Triumph community. My
>> grandmother always taught me that if you don=E2=80=99t have something go=
od to say
>> then don=E2=80=99t say it.
>>
>> Jim Henningsen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2023, at 5:39=E2=80=AFAM, Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc@gmai=
l.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BF
>>
>> Dave, you are a valued member of this list. However, these comments are
>> speculative. The problems concerning the investment program and the ill
>> will from those that lost money is understandable. However, Albert is no=
w
>> the owner of TRF, not his father.
>>
>>
>>
>> The 3 cars in the showroom were saved by the firefighters before the fir=
e
>> got to that part of the building. Albert has worked extremely hard to k=
eep
>> the business going. If I remember correctly, he had to purchase TRF from
>> Charles' estate at a value approved by the court. At the 6-pack Trials I
>> understand he was excited and discussed plans for improvements coming in
>> 2024. His sister's MG was destroyed in the fire along with more cars not=
in
>> the showroom area. The value of those three cars saved would be small
>> compared to the inventory including irreplaceable NOS parts and tooling
>> patterns, etc. It will be up to the fire marshall to determine the cause=
of
>> the fire.
>>
>>
>>
>> The total loss of TRF is a tragedy that will have a significant effect o=
n
>> our hobby. I can't imagine how hard this is for Albert and the wonderful
>> current staff at TRF. They deserve our support, not speculation about wh=
at
>> happened.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com=
> wrote:
>>
>> Given how the people in the Roadster Factory Investment Program were
>> treated after Charles Runyon died, it would not surprise me if this fire
>> was deliberate but done in a way that will not arouse suspicion. I susp=
ect
>> the insurance payout will be much more than the living business would ha=
ve
>> brought in a sale. And coincidentally, the really valuable cars were in=
a
>> different building and seemed to have survived.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christm=
as-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164=
473.html
>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">David Northrup-<div dir=3D"auto">I think you have being a=
n "asshole" confused with being a "patriot". Have you e=
ver heard of being a "gentleman"?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://photos.app.goo.gl/kPUyh2wHMT2UVpaJ6"=
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://photos.app.goo.gl/kPUyh2wHMT2=
UVpaJ6</a></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If anyone wou=
ld like to help, please consider making a donation to the Armagh Volunteer =
Fire Department.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Cheers</div><div dir=3D"auto">Alber=
t</div><div dir=3D"auto">TRF</div><div dir=3D"auto">Onward and Upward=C2=A0=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 2:04=E2=80=AFPM Greg Lemon <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:grglmn@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">grglmn@gmail.com</=
a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><di=
v dir=3D"auto">Dave,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Against m=
y better judgement.=C2=A0 Whether your statements are actionable is debatab=
le.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">However, the actionable in=
this case has nothing to do with free speech and government action.=C2=A0 =
Freedom of speech relates to the limitations on the government taking actio=
n against you based on something you said (or wrote or otherwise communicat=
ed).</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">That doesn't ke=
ep a party who may be injured or damaged by something you say either verbal=
ly or in writing from suing you in a civil action.=C2=A0 Or as I like to sa=
y, in this great country of ours anybody can sue anybody for anything.</div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Please don't make it pol=
itical when it is not.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Kind of a sad state of affairs when ever=
y little thing that doesn't go somebody's way or is perceived as an=
attack, insult, or slight, has to attributed to one "side" or th=
e other .</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon=C2=
=A0</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 8:58 AM dave northrup <<a href=3D"=
mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D=
"_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break=
-word">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">suggesting that my words are "actionable" =
shows an extreme ignorance of the law and the constitution.<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">despite what the Biden administration, the DOJ, and =
liberal democrats have been pushing, this is a country of free speech and i=
t means exactly that.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">the arson investigators will be seriously looking at=
this.=C2=A0 the fire occurred at a time when no one would be working late =
and no one, including the volunteer firefighters or witnesses, would be aro=
und.=C2=A0 And, if as some have suggested, that
the business was struggling, that just adds more fuel to the fire<u></u><u=
></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Jim Henningsen <<a href=3D"mailto:tr=
guy75@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">trguy75@gmail.com</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 27, 2023 5:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Larry Griffin <<a href=3D"mailto:larrygriffin.nc@gmail.com"; r=
el=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">larryg=
riffin.nc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> dave northrup <<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">dave@ranteer.co=
m</a>>; Listserv Triumph <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; =
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">trium=
phs@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Junk]Re: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire<u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Larry and Steve,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Well said and I completely agree with you. There is =
no place for positing such negative and actionable language on a public pla=
tform without facts and at a time of great loss. My heart is heavy for the =
Runyan family and TRF employees.=C2=A0 TRF
has been an important family member to me for the past 30 years and the lo=
ss is devastating to our Triumph community.=C2=A0 My grandmother always tau=
ght me that if you don=E2=80=99t have something good to say then don=E2=80=
=99t say it.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim Henningsen<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Dec 27, 2023, at 5=
:39=E2=80=AFAM, Larry Griffin <<a href=3D"mailto:larrygriffin.nc@gmail.c=
om" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">l=
arrygriffin.nc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif">Dave, you are a valued member of this list. However, these comments ar=
e speculative. The problems concerning the investment program and the ill w=
ill from those that lost money is understandable.
However, Albert is now the owner of TRF, not his father.<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif">The 3 cars in the showroom were saved by the firefighters before the f=
ire got to that part of the building.=C2=A0 Albert has worked extremely har=
d to keep the business going. If I remember correctly,
he had to purchase TRF from Charles' estate at a value approved by the=
court. At the 6-pack Trials I understand he was excited and discussed plan=
s for improvements coming in 2024. His sister's MG was destroyed in the=
fire along with more cars not in the showroom
area. The value of those three cars saved would be small compared to the i=
nventory including irreplaceable NOS parts and tooling patterns, etc. It wi=
ll be up to the fire marshall to determine the cause of the fire.<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif">The total loss of TRF is a tragedy that will have a significant effect=
on our hobby. I can't imagine how hard this is for Albert and the wond=
erful current staff at TRF. They deserve our support,
not speculation about what happened.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif">On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM dave northrup <<a href=3D"=
mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer=
" target=3D"_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Given how the people in the Roadster Factory Investm=
ent Program were treated after Charles Runyon died, it would not surprise m=
e if this fire was deliberate but done in a way that
will not arouse suspicion.=C2=A0 I suspect the insurance payout will be mu=
ch more than the living business would have brought in a sale.=C2=A0 And co=
incidentally, the really valuable cars were in a different building and see=
med to have survived.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><a href=3D"https://=
www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-=
fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html" r=
el=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https:=
//www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-mornin=
g-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html<=
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