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Re: [TR] Future Triumph?

To: Michael Marr <mmarr@albiontechnical.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
From: David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 17:25:32 -0400
Cc: Listers <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Delivered-to: mharc@autox.team.net
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I=E2=80=99m thinking, as others have said, that EV=E2=80=99s are still in t=
he relative
infancy. The =E2=80=98boom days=E2=80=99 for EV=E2=80=99s will come, IMHO, =
when a significant
breakthrough in battery technology occurs. That is, when battery science
allows for rapid recharge, long life and when cheap(er) battery-pack
replacements are possible. The company that develops THAT breakthrough
battery tech, will revolutionize not only EV=E2=80=99s but many other
battery-dependent devices=E2=80=A6.

Dave

On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 5:18 PM Michael Marr <mmarr@albiontechnical.com>
wrote:

> I=E2=80=99m surprised we have not seen a law requiring EVs to be preceded=
 on their
> journey by a man with a red flag=E2=80=A6
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2023, at 07:45, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> All this EV bashing reminds me of the picture of the Model T being pulled
> out of the mud but a farmer and a team of horses and the farmer thinking
> all along "These things will never catch on."
>
> Anyone who expects a new technology to catch on with a straight line
> growth curve is not being realistic.  There are many supply chain and
> infrastructure issues that need to be worked out and this is a chicken/eg=
g
> relationship between these issues and EV acceptance.  Heck, in the early
> days of gas-powered cars drivers had to stop at the local dry-goods store
> and buy "cleaning solvent" to power their cars.
>
> EV's have many fewer moving parts and hence are more reliable and, except
> for the battery, are less expensive to build.  And battery technology is
> evolving as we speak.
>
> But back to the topic at hand.  This new "Triumph" resembles the TR3 in
> the same manner that a Picasso painting resembles reality. Yeah, some of
> the elements are there but they are not coherent.  The styling does not
> inspire me, but that is just my opinion, for what it's worth.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 10:07:28 PM CDT, Michael Marr <
> mmarr@albiontechnical.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hmmm.  Not exactly =E2=80=9Cno go=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9CEVs are piling up=
 on dealer lots.=E2=80=9D
>
> Michael Marr
>
> Mobile:  630-202-0065
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 22, 2023, at 18:48, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> EV sales have peaked
>
>
>
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/05/08/ev-sales-=
2023-slowing/70188358007/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Michael Marr <mmarr@albiontechnical.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:01:34 PM
> *To:* dave northrup
> *Cc:* Listers
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
>
> Really?  What=E2=80=99s your source for that little nugget?
>
> Here=E2=80=99s another viewpoint=E2=80=A6
>
> <GEVO2023reportcover_Anelectriccarchargingundersolarpannels.jpg>
> Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this
> year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA
> <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-=
expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
> iea.org
> <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-=
expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
>
> <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-=
expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
>
>
> Michael Marr
>
> Mobile:  630-202-0065
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.
>
>
>
> EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting the=
m
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Ted
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM
> *To:* Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>
> *Cc:* Listers <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
>
>
>
> Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina
> with BMW.
>
>
>
> Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
>
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:
>
> First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
> for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.
>
> And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and
> tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But
> those wheels!
>
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-T=
R25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=3Dmol=
_desktop_moneycars
>
> mjb.
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<div dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99m thinking, as others have said, that EV=E2=80=
=99s are still in the relative infancy. The =E2=80=98boom days=E2=80=99 for=
 EV=E2=80=99s will come, IMHO, when a significant breakthrough in battery t=
echnology occurs. That is, when battery science allows for rapid recharge, =
long life and when cheap(er) battery-pack replacements are possible. The co=
mpany that develops THAT breakthrough battery tech, will revolutionize not =
only EV=E2=80=99s but many other battery-dependent devices=E2=80=A6.</div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div><div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 23, 2023=
 at 5:18 PM Michael Marr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mmarr@albiontechnical.com";>m=
marr@albiontechnical.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left=
-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">



<div dir=3D"auto">
I=E2=80=99m surprised we have not seen a law requiring EVs to be preceded o=
n their journey by a man with a red flag=E2=80=A6
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Mike<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 23, 2023, at 07:45, DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target=3D"_blank">dave1massey@cs.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px">
<div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">All this =
EV bashing reminds me of the picture of the Model T being pulled out of the=
 mud but a farmer and a team of horses and the farmer thinking all along &q=
uot;These things will never catch on.&quot;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Anyone wh=
o expects a new technology to catch on with a straight line growth curve is=
 not being realistic.=C2=A0 There are many supply chain and infrastructure =
issues that need to be worked out and this is a chicken/egg relationship
 between these issues and EV acceptance.=C2=A0 Heck, in the early days of g=
as-powered cars drivers had to stop at the local dry-goods store and buy &q=
uot;cleaning solvent&quot; to power their cars.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">EV&#39;s =
have many fewer moving parts and hence are more reliable and, except for th=
e battery, are less expensive to build.=C2=A0 And battery technology is evo=
lving as we speak.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">But back =
to the topic at hand.=C2=A0 This new &quot;Triumph&quot; resembles the TR3 =
in the same manner that a Picasso painting resembles reality. Yeah, some of=
 the elements are there but they are not coherent.=C2=A0 The styling does n=
ot inspire
 me, but that is just my opinion, for what it&#39;s worth.<br>
</div>
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e=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Dave <br>
</font></div>
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ize:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black"><br>
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erif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-s=
erif">On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 10:07:28 PM CDT, Michael Marr &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:mmarr@albiontechnical.com"; target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">mmarr@albiontech=
nical.com</a>&gt; wrote:
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erif"><br>
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erif"><br>
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<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-s=
erif">Hmmm.=C2=A0 Not exactly =E2=80=9Cno go=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9CEVs are =
piling up on dealer lots.=E2=80=9D<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
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Arial,sans-serif">Michael Marr<br clear=3D"none">
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erif">
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erif"><br clear=3D"none">
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<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-s=
erif">Mobile: =C2=A0630-202-0065</div>
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erif"><br clear=3D"none">
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<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-s=
erif">Sent from my iPad</div>
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Arial,sans-serif"><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,H=
elvetica,Arial,sans-serif">On Jul 22, 2023, at 18:48, dave northrup &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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elvetica,Arial,sans-serif">
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Arial,sans-serif">=EF=BB=BF
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defaultwrapper" style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-=
serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<p style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif">EV sales have peaked<=
/p>
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<p style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif"><a shape=3D"rect" id=
=3D"m_-4098356278704906929ydp522f7509yiv6716051637LPlnk263632" href=3D"http=
s://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/05/08/ev-sales-2023-s=
lowing/70188358007/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-famil=
y:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif">https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/person=
alfinance/2023/05/08/ev-sales-2023-slowing/70188358007/</a><br clear=3D"non=
e">
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e&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">
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yFwdMsg" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sa=
ns-serif"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0)" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><b style=3D"font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif">From:</b> Michael Marr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mmarr@albiontechni=
cal.com" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">mmarr@a=
lbiontechnical.com</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Sent:</b> Saturday, July 22, 20=
23 4:01:34 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">To:</b> dave northrup<br clear=
=3D"none">
<b style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cc:</b> Listers<br clear=3D"non=
e">
<b style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Future Tr=
iumph?</font>
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erif">=C2=A0</div>
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<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-s=
erif">Really?=C2=A0 What=E2=80=99s your source for that little nugget?
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erif"><br clear=3D"none">
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<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-s=
erif">Here=E2=80=99s another viewpoint=E2=80=A6</div>
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elvetica,Arial,sans-serif">On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup &lt;<a =
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ot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt=
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erif">
<p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if">Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.=
</p>
<p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if">=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if">EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting t=
hem</p>
<p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if">=C2=A0</p>
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adding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,s=
ans-serif;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor">
<p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if"><b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans=
-serif">From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,He=
lvetica,Arial,sans-serif">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
<b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if">On Behalf Of </b>Ted<br clear=3D"none">
<b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if">Sent:</b> Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if">To:</b> Mark Bradakis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@bradakis.com"; target=
=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif">mark@bradakis.com</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if">Cc:</b> Listers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if">Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Future Triumph?</p>
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if">=C2=A0</p>
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erif">
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erif">
<p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if">Great to see &amp; thanks for sharing the concept&#39;s evolution from =
Makkina with BMW.</p>
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if">=C2=A0</p>
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<p style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helve=
tica,Arial,sans-serif">Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go b=
utton.</p>
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erif">
<p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if">On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:mark@bradakis.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">mark@brad=
akis.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
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medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0i=
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color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
<p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if">First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the ai=
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for a few hours.=C2=A0 All is back again, bits should be flowing.<br clear=
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And what do you make of this concept car?=C2=A0 If you drink enough gin and=
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