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Thanks, that explains a lot.
=20
Bob
=20
=20
From: John Macartney [mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk]=20
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 2:38 AM
To: Wbeech@flash.net
Cc: Kinderlehrer; triumphs@autox.team.net; Randall; Jim Kermode
Subject: Re: [TR] Where is the TR4 frame number located
=20
IIRC, all chassis were made by a firm called Sankey. Highly likely =
they=E2=80=99d have a build number for their own purposes but I never =
remember seeing that type of number or descriptor on the vehicle build =
sheet aka =E2=80=9Cthe tally=E2=80=9D.
=20
Jonmac
Remember, it=E2=80=99s rarely a good idea to squat, unless =
you=E2=80=99ve already removed your spurs!
On 26 May 2019, at 00:07, Wbeech@flash.net <wbeech@flash.net> wrote:
Bob,
Of TR3 frames that I have known, the only number I have found is a plate =
on the top of the front cross member. As John said, not a production =
serial number, maybe a date or assembly team? IIRC the number on my =
=E2=80=9858 was =E2=80=9CZ28=E2=80=9D, didn=E2=80=99t go any faster =
though. =20
=20
Bill
On May 25, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer@comcast.net> =
wrote:
Thanks John, I was told there was a number on my TR3 (don=E2=80=99t =
remember ever seeing it) and I=E2=80=99m pretty sure that there is a =
number stamped on my TR2000 Roadster frame (I think I saw that). Just =
thought here would be one on the TR4.=20
This from the Roadster group, my car doesn=E2=80=99t look this good from =
underneath.
Bob
=20
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=20
=20
=20
From: John Macartney [mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk]=20
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 2:07 PM
To: Kinderlehrer
Cc: Randall; triumphs@autox.team.net; Jim Kermode
Subject: Re: [TR] Where is the TR4 frame number located
=20
Bob, I don=E2=80=99t remember us ever recording or using frame ref =
numbers. In fact, don=E2=80=99t think frames were ever numbered from a =
production standpoint. Nearest you=E2=80=99ll get is/was the body number =
but the commission number was the most important of all.
=20
Jonmac
Remember, it=E2=80=99s rarely a good idea to squat, unless =
you=E2=80=99ve already removed your spurs!
On 25 May 2019, at 21:00, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer@comcast.net> wrote:
Thanks Randall. Going down the kit car route is a possibility. It =
appears as though it requires a smog certificate, not sure how that =
would work with a Rover engine of who knows what vintage. All he has is =
a bill of sale, just thinking a frame number might be enough to get a =
TR4 title. There are some specialists that can work wonders with very =
little.
Bob
=20
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
Randall
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 12:05 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Where is the TR4 frame number located
=20
There isn't one AFAIK. There might be a tag on top of the front cross =
member (under the engine) but if its there, its just a series number or =
something like that. There is nothing to identify a particular frame.
Depends on the state, but most of them have a process for assigning a =
new vin number to a car assembled from parts. The local DMV may not know =
much about it, but its there. And usually pretty easy, if you know how.
-- Randall
On 25 May 2019 11:52:36 GMT-07:00, Kinderlehrer =
<kinderlehrer@comcast.net> wrote:
A friend recently acquired a Devon bodied TR4, well, basically, =
practically the only thing that is left of the TR4 is the frame. =
He=E2=80=99s thinking of getting it titled, but has no number to go on =
and can=E2=80=99t seem to find the frame number. Does anyone know =
exactly where it is located?
=20
Thanks,
Bob
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks, that explains a lot.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
John Macartney [mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk] <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Sunday, May 26, 2019 2:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Wbeech@flash.net<br><b>Cc:</b> Kinderlehrer; triumphs@autox.team.net; =
Randall; Jim Kermode<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Where is the TR4 frame =
number located<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>IIRC, all =
chassis were made by a firm called Sankey. Highly likely they=E2=80=99d =
have a build number for their own purposes but I never remember seeing =
that type of number or descriptor on the vehicle build sheet aka =
=E2=80=9Cthe tally=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Jonmac<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3DAppleMailSignature><p class=3DMsoNormal>Remember, it=E2=80=99s =
rarely a good idea to squat, unless you=E2=80=99ve already removed your =
spurs!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 26 May 2019, at 00:07, <a =
href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.net";>Wbeech@flash.net</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net";>wbeech@flash.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bob,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Of =
TR3 frames that I have known, the only number I have found is a plate on =
the top of the front cross member. As John said, not a production =
serial number, maybe a date or assembly team? IIRC the number on =
my =E2=80=9858 was =E2=80=9CZ28=E2=80=9D, didn=E2=80=99t go any faster =
though. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On May 25, 2019, at 5:12 PM, =
Kinderlehrer <<a =
href=3D"mailto:kinderlehrer@comcast.net";>kinderlehrer@comcast.net</a>>=
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks John, I was told there was a number on my TR3 (don=E2=80=99t =
remember ever seeing it) and I=E2=80=99m pretty sure that there is a =
number stamped on my TR2000 Roadster frame (I think I saw that). Just =
thought here would be one on the TR4. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>This from the Roadster group, my car doesn=E2=80=99t look this good =
from underneath.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bob</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><image001.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
John Macartney [<a =
href=3D"mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk";>mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips=
.org.uk</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 25, 2019 2:07 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Kinderlehrer<br><b>Cc:</b> Randall; <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>; Jim =
Kermode<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Where is the TR4 frame number =
located</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Bob, I =
don=E2=80=99t remember us ever recording or using frame ref numbers. In =
fact, don=E2=80=99t think frames were ever numbered from a production =
standpoint. Nearest you=E2=80=99ll get is/was the body number but the =
commission number was the most important of all.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Jonmac<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Remember, it=E2=80=99s rarely a good idea to squat, =
unless you=E2=80=99ve already removed your =
spurs!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 25 May 2019, at 21:00, =
Kinderlehrer <<a =
href=3D"mailto:kinderlehrer@comcast.net";>kinderlehrer@comcast.net</a>>=
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks Randall. Going down the kit car route is a possibility. It =
appears as though it requires a smog certificate, not sure how that =
would work with a Rover engine of who knows what vintage. All he has is =
a bill of sale, just thinking a frame number might be enough to get a =
TR4 title. There are some specialists that can work wonders with very =
little.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bob</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:triumphs-bounces@a=
utox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, =
May 25, 2019 12:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Where is the TR4 frame number =
located</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>There isn't one AFAIK. There might be a =
tag on top of the front cross member (under the engine) but if its =
there, its just a series number or something like that. There is nothing =
to identify a particular frame.<br><br>Depends on the state, but most of =
them have a process for assigning a new vin number to a car assembled =
from parts. The local DMV may not know much about it, but its there. And =
usually pretty easy, if you know how.<br>-- =
Randall<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 25 May 2019 11:52:36 =
GMT-07:00, Kinderlehrer <<a =
href=3D"mailto:kinderlehrer@comcast.net";>kinderlehrer@comcast.net</a>>=
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>A friend recently acquired a Devon bodied TR4, well, basically, =
practically the only thing that is left of the TR4 is the frame. =
He=E2=80=99s thinking of getting it titled, but has no number to go on =
and can=E2=80=99t seem to find the frame number. Does anyone know =
exactly where it is located?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bob</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote =
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