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Re: [TR] Bulkhead Sealer Plate Fasteners

To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>, terryrs@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Bulkhead Sealer Plate Fasteners
From: Doug Hamilton <douglasehamilton@shaw.ca>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:26:41 -0600
Rivet nuts, "riv-nut", "nut-serts", and "Threadserts" are all basically the 
same product.
I have used these a lot in a previous job, here are some tips on using them.
First off they come in steel and aluminum.

The steel ones usually have a lip on the insert that stops the insert from 
pushing through the hole it's installed in. These are the most reliable inserts 
but you end up with what looks like a washer on the surface of your mounting 
hole. These wouldn't work well for the bulkhead plates because you wouldn't get 
a flush fit to the fire wall.

The aluminum ones come with and with out the outer lip. You would want to use 
the ones without the lip for this application. The ones without the lip are the 
trickiest to install. The holes have to be exactly the right size, too small 
and the insert can't be pulled in tight enough and the center threaded part 
will eventually come loose from the outer collar, too large and the outer 
collar will spin in the hole just like a rusty old caged nut.

For long term reliability you should always put some red or green Loctite on 
the outside of insert before installing it the hole, this reduces the odds of 
them coming loose.

With the aluminum ones if they will be exposed to the weather it's important to 
use anti-seize on the bolts or the galvanic reaction between the dissimilar 
metals will seize the bolt in the insert.

And just like welding it's a good idea to practice first on a similar piece of 
scrap sheet metal to get your technique down before start on your car.

My $0.02

Doug Hamilton

1960 TR3A
1963 Fiat Cabriolet


> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:01:56 +0000 (UTC)
> From: terryrs@comcast.net
> Subject: [TR] Bulkhead Sealer Plate Fasteners
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> Went to install the bulkhead sealer plates behind the wheels of the TR3A.B 
> The body guy must have filledB in any holes, and any cage nuts also long
> gone.B 
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> I thought I would drill holes through the plates and the lip on the bulkhead
> where appropriate, but I can't use a regular bolt and nut system because
> there's no room to get behind the plate to put the nut on.B  So I wondered
> which alternative type fastener to get.B  The butterfly (drywall) type would
> have to be small to fit throug the hole.B  A sheet metal hex bolt could work
> and is where I'm leaning.B  Also could get one of those plastic inserts for
> the hole and thread a screw into that to hold the two together.
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> Any thoughts?
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> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
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> New Hampshire
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