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Re: TR4 & TR4A Fan belts

To: ArthurK101@aol.com
Subject: Re: TR4 & TR4A Fan belts
From: George Richardson <gprtech@frontiernet.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:35:48 -0800
Cc: vbbrannon@hlmdesign.com, triumphs@Autox.Team.Net
Organization: Merlin Group Inc.
References: <161c41de.3675e657@aol.com>
You can remove the water pump pulley, slide the belt into place and
replace the pulley. 

ArthurK101@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Vern, I'm going to copy this to the list.
> 
> I know someone out there is going to have the same problem some day.  If the
> fan belt breaks on the road the best advice I have is that there be an
> "emergency fan belt" in the trunk when that happens.   See below for details.
> 
> In a message dated 98-12-14 18:03:15 EST, you write:
> 
> > Just read your "coil" e-mail.  In 1968,  I purchased a new TR4A which
> >  Jeanne and I still own.  <<snip>>
> >
> >  Well, I was well equipped.  I had a spare coil, fan belt, etc in the
> >  boot.  The fan belt gave out after about a month.  I was on the side of
> >  I-85, but absolutely certain that I could fix the problem.  Well, no
> >  matter what I did, the thing would not clear the chassis brace.  Gave up
> >  after 45 minutes and called Triple A.  Knowledgeable mechanic arrives.
> >   One hour later still no belt on car.  Knowledgeable mechanic says, "l am
> >  sure it is not the correct way to install the belt, but let's loosen the
> >  motor mounts and jack up motor".  Works great and in less than 5 minutes,
> >  the belt is on. The guy was so embarrassed that he did not charge me
> >  anything!
> 
> Same thing happened to me in '92 as I was on my way to my first Triumph club
> outing about 45 miles away.  There I was - alone on a beautiful 2 lane Florida
> road when the ignition warning light came on.  I stopped, opened the hood and
> saw a twisted piece of fan belt.  I had an extra in the trunk - so no problem.
> Wrong, couldn't get the belt between the chassis bar and the pulley.  Finally
> some guy in a beat up old Chevy sedan stopped.  He had a crow bar and, after
> loosening the engine mounts, we used it to raise the engine enough to get the
> belt on.  I was wearing white trousers which were completely black (from the
> tire) after the job was done.  I arrived an hour late for the club outing
> looking like a bum.  Not a very auspicious start for a new club member.
> 
> After I threw 3 more belts within the next nine months I realized that we had
> pried  the engine up by placing the crow bar under the generator and so had
> broken the generator mount.  This had caused the generator front bolt to
> loosen and spin, which then caused the generator to move downward about 1/16th
> of an inch.   That put the generator pulley out of the plane of the other
> pulleys.  That caused the belt to rub and caused the 3 subsequent breaks.
> 
> >  Go to dealer and ask, "how do you change fan belt as it is too big".
> >  Answer, loosen motor mounts and jack up motor!
> 
> Right.  That's OK in the garage - I know because I did it the 3 subsequent
> times.  I loosened the motor mounts, put a floor jack under the frame, jacked
> up the car and then lowered it onto a bubble jack which I had placed under the
> engine.  That gave me the 1/8 inch or so clearance necessary to slip the belt
> between the pulley and the crossmember.
> >
> >  Well, Triumph knew of the problem for at least as long as the 4A had been
> >  out (over 2 years as my 4A is in the last 200 built).  Maybe longer as I
> >  still do not know if the TR4 has the same problem.   Was the technique in
> >  owners manual? I am sure you know the answer.
> 
> AFAIK - Not in the owner's manual.  BUT I now carry an "emergency belt", one
> of those belts that are open and which you put around the pulleys and then
> connect the ends together.  That will get me home so I can do the "loosen the
> engine mounts and jack it up" trick.  BTW that's exactly what I did those
> other three times.
> 
> When I realized, after replacing 3 belts, (duh!)  that the generator had moved
> downward and that was why I kept breaking belts, I replaced the front
> generator mount and the bolt.  No problems since -- but I still carry that
> spare emergency belt in the trunk along with a regular spare belt.  The
> emergency belt will get me to a place where I can loosen the mounts and jack
> up the engine in relative calm.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Art Kelly

-- 
George Richardson
The Wyvern - '57 TR3, TS15559L - Now on the road!
http://www.merlingroupinc.com/tr3.htm

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