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Well, I'm ashamed to admit that I cheaped out and bought my master cylinder
from a cheap source a couple of years ago and I'm just now trying to use
it. The brake pedal comes back up and everything feels good. But somebody
mentioned it might have a check valve.
I'll rip it apart tomorrow and see if I can figure it out. I'll probably be
ordering a new one from Sunbeam Specialties to make sure I get a good one.
Thanks for all of the responses.
Joe
On Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 7:09 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
wrote:
> Darn I forgot to make sure this went to the Tiger List too.
>
> My bad
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:06 PM
> *To:* 'Donald Antilla' <fast427@sbcglobal.net>; 'Joe Brown' <
> jbbrown1980@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [Tigers] Brake Issue
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> A long time ago I had a similar problem. I finally
> found that the spring inside the MC was worn and lost some of its spring
> force thus the internal brake parts were not moving correctly. I locate=
d
> a new spring and rebuilt the MC.
>
>
>
> Right now, if you pull up on the brake pedal, will the brakes release?
>
>
>
> I think I also bought new springs for the pedals because I thought they
> were on the weak side.
>
>
>
> Do you remember when the last time the MC was rebuilt? Seems like you
> might need to now and be sure to inspect all the MC internal parts.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Donald
> Antilla via Tigers
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 24, 2021 6:01 PM
> *To:* Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Tigers Den <Tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue
>
>
>
> OK- just saw this note. If you have replaced your flex hoses, then it is
> probably back to looking at your master cylinder.
>
> Please be aware that most master cylinders have an internal =E2=80=9Chold=
off=E2=80=9D
> check valve to provide a bit of residual pressure to keep the seals in dr=
um
> brake slave cylinders from leaking. Be certain you do not have that type =
of
> master cylinder if you have disc brakes.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:45 PM
> *To: *Don Antilla <fast427@sbcglobal.net>
> *Cc: *Tigers Den <Tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue
>
>
>
> I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbeam Specialties last
> week.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <fast427@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flexible
> hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside.
> I changed them and the problem was resolved.
>
> From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
> Or 203-264-8301 home
>
> > On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.ne=
t>
> wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB=BF
> > Hey,
> >
> > I'm scratching my head over an issue I'm having with my brakes. This
> actually started last year and I'm just now trying to sort it out.
> >
> > Basically, after pumping the brake pedal a few times the front brakes
> lock up (only the fronts). If I crack open either bleed screw they free
> up. In fact, cracking open the line anywhere going back to the master
> cylinder frees up the brakes.
> >
> > I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubber lines and
> rebuilt the calipers. This seems to leave the master cylinder. I
> disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put a short line
> on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I could bleed
> any air out of it. That all seems to work okay.
> >
> > So, I'm looking for other ideas.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe Brown
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > tigers@autox.team.net
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<div dir=3D"auto">Well, I'm ashamed to admit that I cheaped out and bou=
ght my master cylinder from a cheap source a couple of years ago and I'=
m just now trying to use it. The brake pedal comes back up and everything f=
eels good.=C2=A0 But somebody mentioned it might have a check valve.<div di=
r=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I'll rip it apart tomorrow and s=
ee if I can figure it out. I'll probably be ordering a new one from Sun=
beam Specialties to make sure I get a good one.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks for all of the responses.</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Joe</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 7:09 PM Ron=
Fraser via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@auto=
x.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lan=
g=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_-609199470396656=
625WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Darn I forgot to make sure this wen=
t to the Tiger List too.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">My bad<u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padd=
ing:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Ron Fraser <<=
a href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:06=
PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Donald Antilla' <<a href=3D"mailto:fast427@sb=
cglobal.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">fast427@sbcglobal.net</a>=
>; 'Joe Brown' <<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subjec=
t:</b> RE: [Tigers] Brake Issue<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Joe<u></u><u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A long time ago I had a similar =
problem.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I finally found that the spring inside the MC wa=
s worn and lost some of its spring force thus the internal brake parts were=
not moving correctly.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I located a new spring and rebuilt the M=
C.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Right now, if you pull up on the brake pedal, w=
ill the brakes release?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think I also bought new springs for =
the pedals because I thought they were on the weak side.<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do you=
remember when the last time the MC was rebuilt?=C2=A0=C2=A0 Seems like you=
might need to now and be sure to inspect all the MC internal parts.<u></u>=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e=
1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> =
Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"noreferrer">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of=
</b>Donald Antilla via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 24, 2021 6:01=
PM<br><b>To:</b> Joe Brown <<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<=
/b> Tigers Den <<a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"noreferrer">Tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Tigers] Brake Issue<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0p=
t;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">OK- just saw this note. If you =
have replaced your flex hoses, then it is probably back to looking at your =
master cylinder.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Please be aw=
are that most master cylinders have an internal =E2=80=9Chold off=E2=80=9D =
check valve to provide a bit of residual pressure to keep the seals in drum=
brake slave cylinders from leaking. Be certain you do not have that type o=
f master cylinder if you have disc brakes.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0=
pt;color:black">Joe Brown <<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Date: =
</b>Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:45 PM<br><b>To: </b>Don Antilla <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:fast427@sbcglobal.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">fas=
t427@sbcglobal.net</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Tigers Den <<a href=3D"mailto:T=
igers@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Tigers@autox.tea=
m.net</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Brake Issue<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have brand new rubber hoses that I got from Sunbe=
am Specialties last week.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 =
at 3:42 PM Donald Antilla <<a href=3D"mailto:fast427@sbcglobal.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">fast427@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<u></u=
><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #ccccc=
c 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin=
-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bott=
om:12.0pt">I had this problem on two different cars. The cause was old flex=
ible hydraulic hoses that had deteriorated inside. <br>I changed them and t=
he problem was resolved. <br><br>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427<br>Or 2=
03-264-8301 home<br><br>> On Jun 24, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Brown via Tig=
ers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> =EF=BB=BF<=
br>> Hey,<br>> <br>> I'm scratching my head over an issue I=
9;m having with my brakes.=C2=A0 This actually started last year and I'=
m just now trying to sort it out.<br>> <br>> Basically, after pumping=
the brake pedal a few times the front brakes lock up (only the fronts).=C2=
=A0 If I crack open either bleed screw they free up.=C2=A0 In fact, crackin=
g open the line anywhere going back to the master cylinder frees up the bra=
kes.<br>> <br>> I have bypassed the booster, replaced all of the rubb=
er lines and rebuilt the calipers.=C2=A0 This seems to leave the master cyl=
inder.=C2=A0 I disconnected the brake line from the master cylinder and put=
a short line on it that feeds back into the master cylinder reservoir so I=
could bleed any air out of it.=C2=A0 That all seems to work okay.<br>> =
<br>> So, I'm looking for other ideas.=C2=A0 <br>> <br>> Thank=
s,<br>> Joe Brown <br>> _____________________________________________=
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