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Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft

To: "rflynn@alum.rpi.edu" <rflynn@alum.rpi.edu>, "tigers@autox.team.net" <tigers@autox.team.net>, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft
From: Gary via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:12:04 +0000 (UTC)
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 I like to put some grease in the drive hole of distributor shaft and aroun=
d the boss on the housing, in case I have to remove it a couple of times to=
 get the timing just right, since the shaft spins when engaging the cam gea=
r.
My 2 cents,
Gary
    On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 11:56:11 AM MDT, Ron Fraser via Tigers <t=
igers@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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Rick

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Installing the distributor is either quick and smooth or a =
total PITA.

 =C2=A0

The last time I installed my distributor it was a complete and total pain.

I walked away, calmed myself, cooled off and drank some water.

When I returned, much later, the distributor nearly dropped in, took less t=
han 5 minutes.

 =C2=A0

Anytime you are installing a distributor you should check all the fitment i=
ssues.

 =C2=A0

Check that the oil pump drive shaft fits the distributor; I had one that di=
d not fit the distributor correctly =E2=80=93 I had to polish the drive sha=
ft some so it would fit the distributor.

 =C2=A0

Right now you have questions and doubts about the system so you have to go =
to basics =E2=80=93=C2=A0 disassemble and find the clip wherever it is loca=
ted.

 =C2=A0

I don=E2=80=99t know the procedure Ford and the Cleveland Foundry used to i=
nstall the distributor, drive shaft and oil pump but at this point use any =
process that gets all the parts on the engine installed correctly.

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

Ron Fraser

 =C2=A0

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of R Flynn via Tiger=
s
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 8:45 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Cc: R Flynn <flynnr2@gmail.com>; tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft

 =C2=A0

A bit more diagnostic information

- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel =
the retaining clip that should be present

- Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top

- There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the las=
t person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to se=
at)

- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero re=
sistance, not sure if that is normal?

 =C2=A0

I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at =
the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it le=
ans over against the wall of the hole it is in.

 =C2=A0

Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do w=
ithout removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do thi=
ngs properly.

 =C2=A0

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net> wrote:













Sometimes they are just difficult...


IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.=C2=A0 We

jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side


which made it more vertical...


Good luck,


Gary











On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via

Tigers wrote:



 =C2=A0







In trying to replace the distributor after

changing my intake manifold on the =E2=80=9865 289 in my Tiger, I am

struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft,

which seems to be leaning over.

 =C2=A0

- tried jiggling the rotor

 =C2=A0

- tried turning the crank with a ratchet while

applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing

both

 =C2=A0

- tried using a long socket & extension to put

the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations

 =C2=A0





 =C2=A0

My next attempts will involve

 =C2=A0

- having someone else push down while I turn the

crap with a ratchet

 =C2=A0

- trying to pack some grease around the shaft with

a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil

pump shaft more centered

 =C2=A0





 =C2=A0

Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words

of wisdom.

 =C2=A0





 =C2=A0

Cheers in advance,

 =C2=A0





 =C2=A0

Rick

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I like to put some grease in the drive hole of distributor shaft and around=
 the boss on the housing, in case I have to remove it a couple of times to =
get the timing just right, since the shaft spins when engaging the cam gear=
.</font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" style=3D""><font size=
=3D"2"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" style=3D""><=
font size=3D"2">My 2 cents,</font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fal=
se" style=3D""><font size=3D"2"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setd=
ir=3D"false" style=3D""><font size=3D"2">Gary</font></div><div style=3D"fon=
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                    On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 11:56:11 AM MDT, Ron Fras=
er via Tigers &lt;tigers@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786=
469MsoNormal">Rick</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; Installing the distributor is either quick and smooth or a total =
PITA.</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=
=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">The last time I installed my distrib=
utor it was a complete and total pain.</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786=
469MsoNormal">I walked away, calmed myself, cooled off and drank some water=
.</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">When I returned, much l=
ater, the distributor nearly dropped in, took less than 5 minutes.</p><p cl=
ass=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp81879ca=
dyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Anytime you are installing a distributor you shoul=
d check all the fitment issues.</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoN=
ormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Check that=
 the oil pump drive shaft fits the distributor; I had one that did not fit =
the distributor correctly =E2=80=93 I had to polish the drive shaft some so=
 it would fit the distributor.</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNo=
rmal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Right now y=
ou have questions and doubts about the system so you have to go to basics =
=E2=80=93&nbsp; disassemble and find the clip wherever it is located.</p><p=
 class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8187=
9cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t know the procedure Ford and the=
 Cleveland Foundry used to install the distributor, drive shaft and oil pum=
p but at this point use any process that gets all the parts on the engine i=
nstalled correctly.</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbs=
p;</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D=
"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyi=
v8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNor=
mal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;tigers-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf=
 Of </b>R Flynn via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 13, 2020 8:45 A=
M<br><b>To:</b> undisclosed-recipients:<br><b>Cc:</b> R Flynn &lt;flynnr2@g=
mail.com&gt;; tigers@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Distrib=
utor -&gt; Oil Pump Shaft</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"=
> &nbsp;</p><div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">A bit =
more diagnostic information</p></div></div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8=
274786469MsoNormal">- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the s=
haft, I do not feel the retaining clip that should be present</p></div><div=
><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">- Beveled edge does visuall=
y appear to be at the top</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv827478646=
9MsoNormal">- There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem =
like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to =
get it to seat)</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal=
">- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero =
resistance, not sure if that is normal?</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879c=
adyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8=
274786469MsoNormal">I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated f=
rom the oil pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any re=
taining clip &amp; it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in.</p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Starting to wonder if I=
 should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do without removing the ent=
ire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do things properly.</p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div><div><p=
 class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 P=
M Gary &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" targ=
et=3D"_blank">garywinblad@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote s=
tyle=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0=
pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;=
"><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.=
0pt;"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv827478=
6469MsoNormal"><br><br>Sometimes they are just difficult...<br><br><br>IIRC=
, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.&nbsp; We<br><b=
r>jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side<br><br><br>whi=
ch made it more vertical...<br><br><br>Good luck,<br><br><br>Gary</p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:=
12.0pt;"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyi=
v8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM,=
 R Flynn via<br><br>Tigers wrote:<br><br></p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cady=
iv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p></div><di=
v><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><p class=3D"y=
dp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br><br><=
br></p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">In trying to rep=
lace the distributor after<br><br>changing my intake manifold on the =E2=80=
=9865 289 in my Tiger, I am<br><br>struggling to get it to slide down over =
the oil pump shaft,<br><br>which seems to be leaning over.</p></div><p clas=
s=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &n=
bsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">- tried jigglin=
g the rotor</p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv827478=
6469MsoNormal">- tried turning the crank with a ratchet while<br><br>applyi=
ng gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing<br><br>both</p></=
div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:1=
2.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">- tr=
ied using a long socket &amp; extension to put<br><br>the oil pump shaft it=
self in different orientations</p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv827478646=
9MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp=
81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br><br></p=
></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-botto=
m:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">M=
y next attempts will involve</p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81=
879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">- having someone else push down while I turn =
the<br><br>crap with a ratchet</p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv827478646=
9MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp=
81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">- trying to pack some grease around the sha=
ft with<br><br>a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the=
 oil<br><br>pump shaft more centered</p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv827=
4786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=
=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br>=
<br></p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margi=
n-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNo=
rmal">Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words<br><br>of wisdom.<=
/p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bot=
tom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br><br></p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cady=
iv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p c=
lass=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Cheers in advance,</p></div><p c=
lass=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">=
 &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"mar=
gin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br><br></p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81=
879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Rick</p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv82747=
86469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D=
"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br><br=
></p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-b=
ottom:12.0pt;"><br><br>-- <br><br></p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv827478=
6469MsoNormal">rick<br><br><br>B9471206: <a href=3D"http://www.tigersunited=
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