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=E2=80=9CI always laugh at the guys with more modern cars, stock with =
massive power already...=E2=80=9D=20
Jay, you mean cars/people like this? =
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wreck-of-brand-new-60000-707-hp-2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat/
From: Jay Laifman via Tigers=20
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:49 AM
To: owain lloyd=20
Cc: Tom Witt via Tigers=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century
I always laugh at the guys with more modern cars, stock with massive =
power already (relative to our cars), who "chip" their cars. I mean, =
what's the point? They don't have "enough" power already to do serious =
damage to themselves or others? They don't have "enough" power to have =
fun? Blast freeway on ramps? If they were truly RACING and needing =
extra power down the stretch or out of the corners because the other =
cars have that fraction of a second on them, OK, maybe it makes sense. =
BUT, if they were really RACING, head to head racing, not just track =
days, that means there are classes. And rest assured, a chipped car is =
going to be in the full modified class - which means a chip alone ain't =
going to make you competitive - you'd need full racing suspension, =
stripped dead weight, etc., etc.=20
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Owain Lloyd via Tigers =
<tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
Some us build engines for competition where the rules prevent you =
dumping any old cheap horsepower in the car and necessitate much more =
effort and expense to get power.=20
That said, I must admit that my tiger (road car) has a 482hp 347. ;)
On Friday, June 19, 2015, Duke Samouce via Tigers =
<tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
Thats why the 260 that came in my Tiger is sitting on an engine =
stand being restored as a OEM correct display engine. Was making close =
to 190 HP when pulled. As you all know, a built 347 now sits in the =
Tiger making ~450HP and many more smiles. A 260 will never produce much =
HP no matter what you do to it. Forced induction aside.
Duke
---- Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
> I've notice over the years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 =
engine in
> the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an =
original
> car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with =
the
> modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity =
(no
> condemnation) why the pursuit? Is it the mentioned desire for =
originality
> (at least to the block/heads that came in the car)? Is it simply =
the quest
> for the most power out of a 260 (only)? Or???
>
> The reason I ask is that my overly practical, frugal nature sees a =
well
> chosen, $150 junk yard roller cam 302 as producing a similar power =
result
> for significantly less cost. Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an =
abysmal 6
> cylinder motor (cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just =
what can
> be gotten out of that with modifications. But actually doing it =
goes against
> my practical/frugal nature.
>
> Anyway, just curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power =
is the
> desired result. Especially with the parts scarcity and additional =
costs.
>
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<DIV><EM>=E2=80=9CI always laugh at the guys with more modern cars, =
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<DIV>Jay, you mean cars/people like this? <A=20
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port-on-wreck-of-brand-new-60000-707-hp-2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat=
/">http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/24/police-release-report-=
on-wreck-of-brand-new-60000-707-hp-2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat/</A>=
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
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href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>Jay Laifman via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 19, 2015 11:49 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dowain.lloyd@gmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com";>owain lloyd</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dtigers@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>Tom Witt via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 =
century</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>I always laugh at the guys with more modern cars, stock =
with=20
massive power already (relative to our cars), who "chip" their =
cars. I=20
mean, what's the point? They don't have "enough" power already to =
do=20
serious damage to themselves or others? They don't have "enough" =
power to=20
have fun? Blast freeway on ramps? If they were truly RACING =
and=20
needing extra power down the stretch or out of the corners because the =
other=20
cars have that fraction of a second on them, OK, maybe it makes =
sense. =20
BUT, if they were really RACING, head to head racing, not just track =
days, that=20
means there are classes. And rest assured, a chipped car is going =
to be in=20
the full modified class - which means a chip alone ain't going to make =
you=20
competitive - you'd need full racing suspension, stripped dead weight, =
etc.,=20
etc. </DIV>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Owain Lloyd =
via Tigers=20
<SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"=20
target=3D_blank>tigers@autox.team.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc =
1px solid">Some=20
us build engines for competition where the rules prevent you dumping =
any old=20
cheap horsepower in the car and necessitate much more effort and =
expense to=20
get power.=20
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That said, I must admit that my tiger (road car) has a 482hp 347. =
;)<SPAN></SPAN><BR><BR>On Friday, June 19, 2015, Duke Samouce via =
Tigers=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"=20
target=3D_blank>tigers@autox.team.net</A>> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ccc 1px solid">Thats=20
why the 260 that came in my Tiger is sitting on an engine stand =
being=20
restored as a OEM correct display engine. Was making close to =
190 HP=20
when pulled. As you all know, a built 347 now sits in the =
Tiger making=20
~450HP and many more smiles. A 260 will never produce much HP =
no=20
matter what you do to it. Forced induction=20
aside.<BR><BR>Duke<BR><BR><BR>---- Tom Witt via Tigers=20
<<A>tigers@autox.team.net</A>> wrote:<BR>> I've notice over =
the=20
years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 engine in<BR>> the =
quest for=20
more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an original<BR>> =
car -=20
original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with =
the<BR>>=20
modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity=20
(no<BR>> condemnation) why the pursuit? Is it the mentioned =
desire=20
for originality<BR>> (at least to the block/heads that came in =
the car)?=20
Is it simply the quest<BR>> for the most power out of a 260 =
(only)?=20
Or???<BR>><BR>> The reason I ask is that my overly practical, =
frugal=20
nature sees a well<BR>> chosen, $150 junk yard roller cam 302 as=20
producing a similar power result<BR>> for significantly less =
cost. =20
Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an abysmal 6<BR>> cylinder motor =
(cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just what can<BR>> =
be=20
gotten out of that with modifications. But actually doing it goes=20
against<BR>> my practical/frugal nature.<BR>><BR>> Anyway, =
just=20
curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power is the<BR>> =
desired=20
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