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Re: [Tigers] Not Tiger Related-Brake Upgrade

To: Tiger List <tigers@Autox.Team.Net>, e.coiner@cox.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Not Tiger Related-Brake Upgrade
From: <deiland1@elp.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:57:50 -0500
Erich,

How do I factor in the area of the pistons into my calculations so I have a 
better idea as to how much pressure is actually being applied to the disc to 
stop the car. Do I multiply the psi times the area of the pistons in my 
calipers?

Dan


---- e.coiner@cox.net wrote: 
> Dan,
> Only one correction.  The area of the pads is irrelevant to force 
>calculations.  You need to know the area of the pistons in the caliper. Only 
>count the area of the pistons on one side of the disc. ie a 4 piston caliper 
>only count the area of 2 pistons.
> Erich
> ---- deiland1@elp.rr.com wrote: 
> > I've been doing more research on my brake upgrade and the following is what 
>I 
> > have found so far. If more knowledgeable souls are out there, I welcome 
>your 
> > input/criticism/outright yelling at me or what ever input you would like to 
> > give. 
> >  
> > I can't get to the pedal box very well since it is mounted to my car, but 
>based 
> > on my crude measurements I think the pedal ratio is close to 4:1 if my 
> > measurements are correct. The formula for calculating Master Cylinder line 
> > pressure is: 
> > Pressure = (Leg force on the pedal) x (Pedal Ratio) divided by (Master 
>Cylinder 
> > Piston Area). 
> > Just for comparison's sake I'm using 100 for the leg force on the pedal. 
>Actual 
> > pressure may be more or less. 
> >  
> > 0.7500" bore MC = 0.4418 sq. in of piston area 
> > 1.0000" Bore MC = 0.7854 sq. in of piston area 
> >  
> > Therefore; OE MC with  .75" bore P= (100 * 4.33)/0.4418 = 980 psi 
> >            New MC with 1.0" bore P= (100 * 4.33)/0.7854 = 551 psi 
> >  
> > With the original 7" single diaphram booster you would gain about 494 psi 
>of 
> > free boost on the OE MC and about 381 psi with the 1" bore MC. But with the 
>dual 
> > diaphram MC this would increase to around 490 psi free boost. This means 
>the 
> > total boost are as below: 
> >  
> > OE 0.75" bore with 7" SD booster 980psi + 494 psi = 1474 psi total 
> > New 1.0" bore with 7" DD booster 551psi + 490 psi = 1041 psi total 
> >  
> > Although this is about a 40% difference, when you consider the OE 
>application 
> > was with a two piston caliper with about 3.3 sq/in of pad area compared to 
>my 
> > new 4 piston caliper with 6.63 sq/in of pad area and slotted discs then the 
>end 
> > result is actually improved braking over the OE even with the 1" bore MC. 
>If I 
> > use a smaller bore MC with all my new parts I would really have a lot more 
>force 
> > at the brake disc which may actually not be that great of an idea. 
> >  
> > I have thrown out my calculations for all to see (flawed or not) and now I 
>wait 
> > the gunfire. 
> >  
> > Dan Eiland 
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