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This is the chassis (VIN) and engine plates=A0I was referring to;=A0not the=
registration number plate. =A0Having said that - this would appear to be t=
he one that does fall off most as sometimes the cross head screws will undo=
with vibration. =A0<smile> =A0The rivets holding the VIN and engine plates=
don't, they have to be taken off on purpose - but as said, there can be va=
lid reasons for this.=0A=0AGuy R Day=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________________=
_____=0A From: Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net>=0ATo: GUY DAY <grday@btinte=
rnet.com> =0ACc: Bob Spruck <raspruck@gmail.com>; Spridget list <Spridgets@=
autox.team.net> =0ASent: Tuesday, 24 March 2015, 13:09=0ASubject: Re: [Spri=
dgets] VIN number issue=0A =0A=0A=0AThe number plate on a Bugeye does not f=
all off on it's own. =A0But they were fastened to the car with crosshead sc=
rews. =A0To many people that means take it off when doing a "restoration". =
=A0And then for whatever reason the plate does not get reinstalled.=0A=0ATh=
e fact that the car has been registered in two different states indicates t=
o me that it's probably OK. =A0But check the other locations for numbers. =
=A0:-)=0A=0ASent from my keyboard=0A=0AOn Mar 24, 2015, at 6:46 AM, GUY DAY=
via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:=0A=0A=0AShould you be wary=
about anomalies such as this? =A0If you had ever been the owner of a car s=
tolen from you then this would ring very loud warning bells.=A0=0A>If the e=
ngine is meant to be original then look for the aluminium engine number pla=
te riveted on a horizontal platform towards the front of the block. =A0Has =
that gone missing as well? =A0Then you go looking for paint colour oddities=
and because it is a 50 year old car there is guaranteed to be something.=
=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>There can be 1001 good, honest reasons for the oddities with=
this motor but will you be thinking, in the back of your mind, that this w=
as someone's pride and joy before it was taken and changed into what is see=
n before me. =A0If you don't get it then some else will and does your inner=
voice say, 'Its a 50 odd year old car, there are bound to be some faults',=
or does it say, 'This car isn't right, stay well clear'.=0A>=0A>=0A>Identi=
fying plates do not normally fall off on their own and my 45 year old Sprit=
e has them where they should be. =A0It is not just the anomaly in the numbe=
r it is the reason the anomaly has arisen that should be looked into.=0A>=
=0A>=0A>Sorry to be so negative but as an owner who has had cars taken (yes=
, plural) it does bring things to the fore again.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Guy R =
Day=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>_____________=
___________________=0A> From: Bob Spruck via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.tea=
m.net>=0A>To: Spridget list <Spridgets@autox.team.net> =0A>Sent: Tuesday, 2=
4 March 2015, 1:30=0A>Subject: [Spridgets] VIN number issue=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A=
>On a Bugeye I am interested in, I have discovered an apparent anomaly in t=
he year and VIN. The car has no VIN plate but is considered to be a 1961 Mk=
1 and has been registered in two states as such. However, the VIN is listed=
on both registrations as AN5L xxxx. Since they made, what, 59,000 Bugeyes =
and ended in 1961, a car considered a '61 should have a five digit number, =
somewhere approaching 59,000. If the four digit number is correct, it shoul=
d be, I expect, maybe a '59. =0A>=0A>Is there any other place that the VIN =
appears? Or any other way=0A of determining the true VIN number or t=
rue year of manufacture?=0A>=0A>Perhaps I should just leave well enough alo=
ne?=0A>=0A>Bob Spruck=0A>Sharpsburg, GA =0A>=0A>'72 Midget=0A>'67 Midget Vi=
ntage Racer=0A>Maybe a '59 or '61 Bugeye=0A>=0A> =0A=0A>
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>This is the chassis (=
VIN) and engine plates </span><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">I was r=
eferring to;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"> not the registrat=
ion number plate. Having said that - this would appear to be the one =
that does fall off most as sometimes the cross head screws will undo with v=
ibration. <smile> The rivets holding the VIN and engine p=
lates don't, they have to be taken off on purpose - but as said, there can =
be valid reasons for this.</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); f=
ont-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: norm=
al; background-color: transparent;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><br></=
span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family:=
arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color:
transparent;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Guy R Day</span></div><div>=
<span></span></div><div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; background-color: transpa=
rent;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><br></div> <=
div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> =
<div style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; fon=
t-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D=
"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Rick Fisk &l=
t;refisk@chartermi.net><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</s=
pan></b> GUY DAY <grday@btinternet.com> <br><b><span style=3D"font-we=
ight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Bob Spruck <raspruck@gmail.com>; Spridget=
list <Spridgets@autox.team.net> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: =
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 24 March 2015, 13:09<br> <b><span style=3D=
"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Spridgets] VIN number issue<b=
r> </font> </div>
<div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv2590157070"><div><div>The=
number plate on a Bugeye does not fall off on it's own. But they wer=
e fastened to the car with crosshead screws. To many people that mean=
s take it off when doing a "restoration". And then for whatever reaso=
n the plate does not get reinstalled.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><d=
iv>The fact that the car has been registered in two different states indica=
tes to me that it's probably OK. But check the other locations for nu=
mbers. :-)<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Sent from my keyboard=
</div><div><div class=3D"yiv2590157070yqt0743328313" id=3D"yiv2590157070yqt=
fd13970"><br clear=3D"none">On Mar 24, 2015, at 6:46 AM, GUY DAY via Spridg=
ets <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spri=
dgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></=
div></div><div
class=3D"yiv2590157070yqt0743328313" id=3D"yiv2590157070yqtfd12009"><block=
quote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255=
, 255);"><div><span>Should you be wary about anomalies such as this? =
If you had ever been the owner of a car stolen from you then this would rin=
g very loud warning bells. </span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0,=
0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-style=
: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>If the engine is meant to b=
e original then look for the aluminium engine number plate riveted on a hor=
izontal platform towards the front of the block. Has that gone missin=
g as well? Then you go looking for paint colour oddities and because =
it is a 50 year old car there is guaranteed to be something. </span></=
div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial,
helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"=
><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); f=
ont-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: norm=
al; background-color: transparent;"><span>There can be 1001 good, honest re=
asons for the oddities with this motor but will you be thinking, in the bac=
k of your mind, that this was someone's pride and joy before it was taken a=
nd changed into what is seen before me. If you don't get it then some=
else will and does your inner voice say, 'Its a 50 odd year old car, there=
are bound to be some faults', or does it say, 'This car isn't right, stay =
well clear'.</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px=
; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: normal; background=
-color: transparent;"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div style=3D"c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica,
sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Iden=
tifying plates do not normally fall off on their own and my 45=0A year old =
Sprite has them where they should be. It is not just the anomaly in t=
he number it is the reason the anomaly has arisen that should be looked int=
o.</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-fam=
ily: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: tr=
ansparent;"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(=
0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-=
style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Sorry to be so negativ=
e but as an owner who has had cars taken (yes, plural) it does bring things=
to the fore again.</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-siz=
e: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: normal; bac=
kground-color: transparent;"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div sty=
le=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color:
transparent;"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div style=3D"color: r=
gb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; fo=
nt-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Guy R Day </sp=
an></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: a=
rial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transpar=
ent;"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-style:=
normal; background-color: transparent;"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></=
div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial,=
helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"=
><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); f=
ont-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: norm=
al; background-color: transparent;"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><=
div
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helveti=
ca, sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span><=
br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div> <div style=
=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div styl=
e=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 1=
2pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Bob Spruck via Spridg=
ets <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spri=
dgets@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weig=
ht:bold;">To:</span></b> Spridget list <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rec=
t" ymailto=3D"mailto:Spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
ilto:Spridgets@autox.team.net">Spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> <br clear=
=3D"none"> <b><span
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 24 March 2015, 1:30<=
br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>=
[Spridgets] VIN number issue<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div> <div class=
=3D"yiv2590157070y_msg_container"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv25901570=
70">=0A =0A=0A =0A =0A <div>=0A <font size=3D"+1"><font face=3D"Ar=
ial">On a Bugeye I am interested in, I=0A have discovered an apparen=
t anomaly in the year and VIN. The car=0A has no VIN plate but is co=
nsidered to be a 1961 Mk1 and has been=0A registered in two states a=
s such. However, the VIN is listed on=0A both registrations as AN5L =
xxxx. Since they made, what, 59,000=0A Bugeyes and ended in 1961, a =
car considered a '61 should have a=0A five digit number, somewhere a=
pproaching 59,000. If the four=0A digit number is correct, it should=
be, I expect, maybe a '59. <br clear=3D"none">=0A <br clear=3D"none=
">=0A Is there any other place that the VIN appears? Or any other wa=
y=0A of determining the true VIN number or true year of manufacture?=
<br clear=3D"none">=0A <br clear=3D"none">=0A Perhaps I shoul=
d just leave well enough alone?<br clear=3D"none">=0A <br clear=3D"n=
one">=0A Bob Spruck<br clear=3D"none">=0A Sharpsburg, GA <br =
clear=3D"none">=0A <br clear=3D"none">=0A '72 Midget<br clear=
=3D"none">=0A '67 Midget Vintage Racer<br clear=3D"none">=0A =
Maybe a '59 or '61 Bugeye<br clear=3D"none">=0A <br clear=3D"none">=
=0A </font></font>=0A </div>=0A=0A</div></div></div></div></div></div=
></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><br clear=3D"none"></div></blo=
ckquote></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html=
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