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John =E2=80=93 if you are going to get a new machine, you might consider =
a mini-PC [aka 1-liter machines].
=20
I got a couple of these a year ago. My wife is using one as her main =
machine and it works great. I am overusing mine as I run some virtual =
machines, but it works just fine for most tasks. Here is a link to the =
one I got: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09H5961YN/ That is now =
$229 for 16Gb of ram and a 500Gb drive and Windows 11 Pro.
=20
They also have one at $139 with 8Gb + 256=E2=80=A6
=20
Of course you would have to provide a mouse, keyboard and monitor =
=E2=80=93 which a laptop would provide built-in =E2=80=93 but if you =
have those laying around, this might work for you without additional =
expense.
=20
-----------------------------------
All the best,
=20
Al Fuller
=20
From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of john =
niolon
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2025 3:22 PM
To: MIQ MILLMAN <miq@bigllama.com>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
=20
well that is an unusual development... moved the laptop to sit right =
next to the Orbi modem
five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a little less upload with =
latency around45 ms
=20
took it back to the shop sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb =
down and 40-=3D50 up with less latency
=20
so I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop as ya'll say...just like me =
old and slow
=20
My Orbi is a model RBR10 app version2.42.0.56
=20
firmware version v2.7.3.22
=20
I've started looking online for refurbed units... I've been using a =
refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with no problems
they are getting cheaper every day... and I've got room for a small form =
factor and monitor in the shop... might just go that way
=20
if ya'll have any suggestions on the refurbs... I'm all ears
=20
thanks for all the input
john
----- Original Message -----
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net =
Sent: 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
_____ =20
As others have said, the old laptop is probably running within specs. =
Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps.=20
=20
The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a =
designation to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of =
802.11ac.
=20
Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps, =
and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.
=20
The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port =
built in. So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution" and =
tried to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would =
still be limited to what the older laptop can manage.
=20
It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable of =
802.11ac, you don't mention which version you have, but they still =
sell/support the older versions, and the price is rather steep for the =
latest versions
=20
Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, it =
would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the =
Toshiba. Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best =
use of funds.... (e.g. TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a =
port, but the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)
=20
If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option,=20
=20
here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the 'zon:
https://a.co/d/am8aVRV
=20
All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.
=20
--Miq
=20
=20
=20
On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <jniolon@att.net =
I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached =
garage/shop. First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit =
for distance and slow and intermittent. Next went with power line =
adapters and while they were consistent in connection...speed was still =
slower than I wanted...
=20
This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it =
with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master =
box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
=20
I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to =
hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage. =20
I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) =
which is my primary shop machine. Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.
while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.
=20
I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and =
slower? Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20 =
years out of the business. Can someone with current knowledge tell me =
if the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a =
way to get better wireless speed on the laptop? or is that just the =
nature of wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no =
options to run win 10.
=20
=20
thanks
John
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>John =E2=80=93 if =
you are going to get a new machine, you might consider a mini-PC [aka =
1-liter machines].<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>I got a couple of =
these a year ago. My wife is using one as her main machine and it works =
great. I am overusing mine as I run some virtual machines, but it works =
just fine for most tasks. Here is a link to the one I got: <a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09H5961YN/";>https://www.amazon=
.com/gp/product/B09H5961YN/</a>=C2=A0 That is now $229 for 16Gb of ram =
and a 500Gb drive and Windows 11 Pro.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>They also have one =
at $139 with 8Gb + 256=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>Of course you would =
have to provide a mouse, keyboard and monitor =E2=80=93 which a laptop =
would provide built-in =E2=80=93 but if you have those laying around, =
this might work for you without additional =
expense.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All the =
best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>john niolon<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 2, 2025 3:22 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> MIQ MILLMAN <miq@bigllama.com><br><b>Cc:</b> =
shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Shop-talk] shop internet connection<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>well that is an unusual =
development... moved the laptop to sit right next to the Orbi =
modem</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>five speedtest gave me 25-30 =
mb download and a little less upload with latency around45 =
ms</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>took =
it back to the shop sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb down =
and 40-=3D50 up with less latency</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>so =
I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop as ya'll say...just like =
me old and slow</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>My =
Orbi is a model RBR10 app =
version2.42.0.56</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif'>firmware version =
v2.7.3.22</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>I've =
started looking online for refurbed units... I've been using a refurbed =
DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with no =
problems</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>they are getting cheaper =
every day... and I've got room for a small form factor and monitor in =
the shop... might just go that way</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>if =
ya'll have any suggestions on the refurbs... I'm all =
ears</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif'> thanks for all the =
input</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif'>john</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #C7E5FF 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>----- Original Message -----</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> MIQ MILLMAN =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:miq@bigllama.com";>miq@bigllama.com</a>><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>To:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> john niolon =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net";>jniolon@att.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Cc:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> shop-talk =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net";>shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> 1/2/2025 =
3:26:21 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> Re: [Shop-talk] =
shop internet connection<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><hr =
size=3D1 width=3D"100%" noshade style=3D'color:#CCCCCC' =
align=3Dcenter></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>As others have =
said, the old laptop is probably running within specs. =
Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is =
802.11ax or just AX as a designation to differentiate from the past =
"livingroom" standard of =
802.11ac.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Both of these are overkill for what you =
want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps, and ax peaks at =
9.6Gbps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 =
Mbps on the ethernet port built in. So, even if you went =
with a cheap "hardwire solution" and tried to connect a switch =
to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would still be limited to what the =
older laptop can manage.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>It's also possible that the version Orbi you =
have is only capable of 802.11ac, you don't mention which version you =
have, but they still sell/support the older versions, and the price =
is rather steep for the latest =
versions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb =
dongle wifi connection, it would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and =
the older bus speeds in the Toshiba. Also not sure that spending =
$35 on a wifi adapter is the best use of funds.... (e.g. TP-Link =
AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a port, but the laptop would not be =
able to support the speeds.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>If you are on a budget, I would look at =
chromebooks as an option, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for =
$250 from the 'zon:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><a =
href=3D"https://a.co/d/am8aVRV";>https://a.co/d/am8aVRV</a><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>All that said, most of the world runs just =
fine on 20-30 Mbps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'> --Miq<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AFAM john =
niolon <<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net";>jniolon@att.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I'm trying to get better internet =
connectivity in my detached garage/shop. First tried hardwired =
cat-5 but it was right at the limit for distance and slow and =
intermittent. Next went with power line adapters and while they =
were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I =
wanted...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh =
system and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN =
the garage and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard =
wired to the modem.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is =
great (350-375 MB) to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the =
house or in the garage. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I have an older laptop I use in the shop =
(Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine. =
Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 =
mb+.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I'm wondering if the old laptop has a =
wireless card that is old and slower? Everything I knew about =
computers is old and obsolete after 20 years out of the business. =
Can someone with current knowledge tell me if the problem is with an =
antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way to get better wireless =
speed on the laptop? or is that just the nature of wireless =
nowadays? BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no options =
to run win 10.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>John<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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