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David, agreed=E2=80=94that=E2=80=99s been my personal experience.
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Group=E2=80=94I recently have been working on a custom automotive =
project that has brought me into contact with all of these terminal =
types:
* Packard 56 open barrel (Delco-Packard --> Delphi --> Aptiv)
* Packard 59 (specifically Twin Lock)
* Metri-Pack
* Weather-Pack
* Powerpole (Anderson)
* Deutsch
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I=E2=80=99m happy to try to help anyone on the list who is trying to =
identify terminals / shells or etc. I have had some success tracking =
down crimping tools as well.
=20
FWIW, I have rapidly become a BIG fan of the Deutsch setup. Easier to =
work with (easier to crimp, easier to revise) and physically smaller =
than Weather-Pack.
=20
--Kent
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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David =
Scheidt
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 11:56 AM
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] automotive connector breakout wires
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On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 11:21=E2=80=AFAM Jeff Scarbrough =
If you're trying to connect with the connector unplugged, the "easiest" =
thing to do might be to get some male and female pins and make jumper =
wires with them . Finding the correct pins is the hard part of the =
easy solution.
=20
=20
If you can figure out which ones you need, getting the right pins is =
easy, and even real OEM ones are usually pretty cheap. The problem is =
there are lots of choices, and they all require their own crimping dies, =
so it's hard to keep them on hand just in case. For testing, you can =
probably get away with the wrong tool, or soldering them on. But if =
you're repairing a connector, you want the right crimper; poorly crimped =
pins and socket ends are a source of maddening intermittent failures and =
risk deciding a part has failed when it's just the wire end that's bad. =
=20
One very real advantage of using the right pins is you can get a good =
sense if you have a pin fit problem, which causes failures, often =
intermittent. hard to do that with a probe or stick pin. =20
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David Scheidt
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>Davi=
d, agreed=E2=80=94that=E2=80=99s been my personal =
experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>Grou=
p=E2=80=94I recently have been working on a custom automotive project =
that has brought me into contact with all of these terminal =
types:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul style=3D'margin-top:0in' type=3Ddisc><li =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'color:blue;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 =
level1 lfo1'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Packard 56 =
open barrel (Delco-Packard </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>=C3=A0</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> Delphi =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>=C3=A0</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> =
Aptiv)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'color:blue;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Packard 59 =
(specifically Twin Lock)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'color:blue;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 =
level1 lfo1'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Metri-Pack<o:p>=
</o:p></span></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'color:blue;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Weather-Pack<o:=
p></o:p></span></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'color:blue;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Powerpole =
(Anderson)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'color:blue;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Deutsch<o:p></o=
:p></span></li></ul><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>I=E2=
=80=99m happy to try to help anyone on the list who is trying to =
identify terminals / shells or etc. I have had some success tracking =
down crimping tools as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>FWIW=
, I have rapidly become a BIG fan of the Deutsch setup. Easier to work =
with (easier to crimp, easier to revise) and physically smaller than =
Weather-Pack.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>--Ke=
nt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>David Scheidt<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 23, 2024 11:56 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> shop-talk =
<shop-talk@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] =
automotive connector breakout wires<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, May 23, 2024 at 11:21<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=E2=80=AF</span>AM Jeff =
Scarbrough <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fishplate@gmail.com";>fishplate@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>If =
you're trying to connect with the connector unplugged, the =
"easiest" thing to do might be to get some male and =
female pins and make jumper wires with them . Finding =
the correct pins is the hard part of the easy =
solution.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>If you can figure out which ones you need, getting the =
right pins is easy, and even real OEM ones are usually pretty =
cheap. The problem is there are lots of choices, and they all =
require their own crimping dies, so it's hard to keep them on hand just =
in case. For testing, you can probably get away with the wrong tool, or =
soldering them on. But if you're repairing a connector, you want =
the right crimper; poorly crimped pins and socket ends are a source of =
maddening intermittent failures and risk deciding a part has failed when =
it's just the wire end that's bad. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>One very real advantage of using the right pins is you =
can get a good sense if you have a pin fit problem, which causes =
failures, often intermittent. hard to do that with a probe or =
stick pin. <o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dgmailsignatureprefix>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>David Scheidt<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:dmscheidt@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">dmscheidt@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div=
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