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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] led tubes and short memory
From: Mark Andy <marka@maracing.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 00:42:13 -0500
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Howdy,

They come with clips that you can screw to the ceiling.  There's no
fixture.  I don't know that a fixture would help in any event, since the
LEDs are all surface mounted, so they wouldn't throw light up toward the
ceiling in any event.

You all should do whatever you like, but after using both these as well as
fluorescents, there's no way I would use a fluorescent fixture.  I might
compare other LED solutions, but if they cost significantly more than
these, I wouldn't bother.  I've been nothing but impressed / happy with
them.

Mark

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 7:14 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

> A quick glance doesn't show how they're mounted; anyone know? Seems like
> you'd still want a fixture to reflect light.
>
>
> On 1/10/2022 1:42 PM, Mark Andy wrote:
>
> Howdy,
>
> If I were doing this, I would pretty much just throw away the existing
> stuff and put up these:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Barrina-8500LM-Daylight-Output-Linkable/dp/B07RKZFD5Z/ref=sr_1_2_sspa
>
> I have a shop that was built around 7 years ago and stuff like this wasn't
> available at this cost, so I went with 4 tube fluorescent fixtures.
> They've been "fine", but when I redid our daily driver parking garage last
> year I used the Barrina lights.  Super easy, nice bright light, and pretty
> cheap.  Absolutely no question that's what I'd do if I were redoing the
> shop / what I will do when the time comes when the existing fluorescents
> die.
>
> YMMV.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 3:08 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Since I was already 'LED curious,' I did a bit of research:
>>
>> - there are some LED tubes that require a ballast* ('Type A')
>> - there are some LED tubes that require bypassing of the ballast ('Type
>> B')
>> - there are some LED tubes that work with ballast or without/bypassing,
>> with some rewiring* ('Type A+B')
>>
>>
>> If you want the least (initial) hassle, and have 'fresh' ballasts--they
>> all fail, eventually--you can plug and play the 'A+B' type with a ballast
>> then, when the ballast fails you can bypass it, which requires some
>> rewiring (apparently, you can leave the dead ballast in place).
>>
>>
>> * Need to check compatibility between tube and ballast.
>>
>>
>> On 1/10/2022 10:48 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote:
>>
>> I used the Feit replacement LED tubes, it sounds like they are similar.
>> Here are the instructions for the Feit, maybe that will help?
>>
>> https://www.feit.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/T4815_850_AB_LED_10_MANUAL_051019.pdf
>>
>> Best,
>> Ian
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 12:12 PM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Couple of years ago I bought a box of Utilitech t81636f16-40...4' led
>>> tubes...redid all my shop lights and was pleased with them
>>>
>>> now I want to add some fixtures in another part of shop and my memory
>>> has failed... I know I had to rewire fixtures to make them work
>>> but can remember what I did and instruction sheet is long gone or lost...
>>>
>>> Utilititech was a Lowes brand and now discontinued and Utilitech web
>>> site is a joke    anyone tell me how to wire these bulbs up either with or
>>> without ballast..,....seems I remember they were non shunted bulbs...but
>>> now sure
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> john
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Howdy,<div><br></div><div>They come w=
ith clips that you can screw to the ceiling.=C2=A0 There&#39;s no fixture.=
=C2=A0 I don&#39;t know that a fixture would help in any event, since the L=
EDs are all surface mounted, so they wouldn&#39;t throw light up toward the=
 ceiling in any event.<br><br>You all should do whatever you like, but afte=
r using both these as well as fluorescents, there&#39;s no way I would use =
a fluorescent fixture.=C2=A0 I might compare other LED solutions, but if th=
ey cost significantly more than these, I wouldn&#39;t bother.=C2=A0 I&#39;v=
e been nothing but impressed / happy with them.</div></div><div><br></div>M=
ark<div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 7:14 PM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidel=
l@comcast.net">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    A quick glance doesn&#39;t show how they&#39;re mounted; anyone know? S=
eems
    like you&#39;d still want a fixture to reflect light.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 1/10/2022 1:42 PM, Mark Andy wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<br>
        <br>
        If I were doing this, I would pretty much just throw away the
        existing stuff and put up these:<br>
        <br>
        <a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Barrina-8500LM-Daylight-Output-Li=
nkable/dp/B07RKZFD5Z/ref=3Dsr_1_2_sspa" target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazo=
n.com/Barrina-8500LM-Daylight-Output-Linkable/dp/B07RKZFD5Z/ref=3Dsr_1_2_ss=
pa</a><br>
        <br>
        I have a shop that was built around 7 years ago and stuff like
        this wasn&#39;t available at this cost, so I went with 4 tube
        fluorescent=C2=A0fixtures.=C2=A0 They&#39;ve been &quot;fine&quot;,=
 but when I redid our
        daily driver parking garage last year I used the Barrina
        lights.=C2=A0 Super easy, nice bright light, and pretty cheap.=C2=
=A0
        Absolutely no question that&#39;s what I&#39;d do if I were redoing=
 the
        shop / what I will do when the=C2=A0time comes when the existing
        fluorescents die.<br>
        <br>
        YMMV.<br>
        <br>
        Mark</div>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 3:08
          PM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div> Since I was already &#39;LED curious,&#39; I did a bit of
            research:<br>
            <br>
            - there are some LED tubes that require a ballast* (&#39;Type
            A&#39;)<br>
            - there are some LED tubes that require bypassing of the
            ballast (&#39;Type B&#39;)<br>
            - there are some LED tubes that work with ballast or
            without/bypassing, with some rewiring* (&#39;Type A+B&#39;)<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            If you want the least (initial) hassle, and have &#39;fresh&#39=
;
            ballasts--they all fail, eventually--you can plug and play
            the &#39;A+B&#39; type with a ballast then, when the ballast fa=
ils
            you can bypass it, which requires some rewiring (apparently,
            you can leave the dead ballast in place). <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            * Need to check compatibility between tube and ballast.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <div>On 1/10/2022 10:48 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type=3D"cite">
              <div dir=3D"ltr">I used the Feit replacement LED tubes, it
                sounds like they are similar.=C2=A0 Here are the instructio=
ns
                for the Feit, maybe that will help?<br>
                <a href=3D"https://www.feit.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/=
T4815_850_AB_LED_10_MANUAL_051019.pdf" target=3D"_blank">https://www.feit.c=
om/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/T4815_850_AB_LED_10_MANUAL_051019.pdf</a><br>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Best,<br>
                </div>
                <div>Ian</div>
              </div>
              <br>
              <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 10, 2022
                  at 12:12 PM john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att=
.net" target=3D"_blank">jniolon@att.net</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                  <div>
                    <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Couple of years ago I
                        bought a box of Utilitech t81636f16-40...4&#39; led
                        tubes...redid all my shop lights and was pleased
                        with them</font></div>
                    <div>=C2=A0</div>
                    <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">now I want to add some
                        fixtures in another part of shop and my memory
                        has failed... I know I had to rewire fixtures to
                        make them work</font></div>
                    <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">but can remember what I
                        did and instruction sheet is long gone or
                        lost...</font></div>
                    <div>=C2=A0</div>
                    <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Utilititech was a Lowes
                        brand and now discontinued and Utilitech web
                        site is a joke=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 anyone tell me how=
 to wire
                        these bulbs up either with or</font></div>
                    <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">without
                        ballast..,....seems I remember they were non
                        shunted bulbs...but now sure</font></div>
                    <div>=C2=A0</div>
                    <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
                    <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
                  </div>
                  <br>
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