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I found a "loophole" in the code. If the deck is freestanding and under =
30" high, it doesn't need to be at the frost line. I found these =
anchored surface footings that might do quite well:
https://shop.titanbuildingproducts.com/deck-foot.php =
<https://shop.titanbuildingproducts.com/deck-foot.php>
The only issue is that the new deck with be 4 steps down from the one =
anchored to the house, so the connection between the two needs to be =
fluid, which means one end of the stairs needs to float. I'm trying to =
come up with a design where the risers adjust as the lower deck rises =
and falls with frost, and the riser heights stay equidistant from each =
other, but I'm not getting there. Maybe I build a ramp instead...
jim
> On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:13 AM, Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net> wrote:
>=20
> Try a search for "concrete trailer" or call some local concrete =
companies. If you can drive a pickup or SUV near the footings, one of =
these might be the way to go. An explanation is at =
https://www.sepulveda.com/product_families/concrete_to_go/concrete_to_go.p=
hp =
<https://www.sepulveda.com/product_families/concrete_to_go/concrete_to_go.=
php>=20
>=20
> Brian
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk=20
> Sent: Apr 16, 2020 7:44 PM=20
> To: PJ McGarvey=20
> Cc: Shop-talk=20
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers for decks=20
>=20
> Yep, 18" is spot on per the beam and joist spacing, but the pre-cast =
footer only comes in 22".=20
>=20
> Getting the concrete to the location will be difficult. The house is =
up a 100' inclined driveway that won't support a full sized truck, and =
the then another 100' around back to the site. Even a pumper would need =
a lot of hose. Are there smaller/lighter site-mix trucks now? I suppose =
they could pump it to the top of the driveway and wheelbarrow it around =
back...
>=20
>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:15 PM, PJ McGarvey <pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com =
>>=20
>> I doubt you'll need more than 18" diameter footings for a deck.=20
>>=20
>> In any case, I would pay a bit more for concrete delivery. I did this =
in November for a 16'x16' screened porch I'm almost finished with. For =
that diameter and depth, that's alot of concrete to mix correctly. In an =
hour you can have it delivered, poured, and save alot of hassle.=20
>>=20
>> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net =
>> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 7:14 PM
>> To: Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org =
>> Cc: Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net =
>> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers for decks
>> =20
>> 24=E2=80=9D diameter hole is pretty large. I had 24=E2=80=9D piers =
drilled by a company. They brought a large drill truck. I had 3 piers =
drilled 25=E2=80=99 deep, including bell bottoms. Cost was $800. Only =
reason I brought this up is it might not be that much over the cost of =
the skid steer to have someone else drill them.=20
>>=20
>> Peace,
>> Pat
>>=20
>> Pat Horne=20
>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>>=20
>>=20
>> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk =
>> >=20
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFHaving decided it's better to build a nice ornate deck out =
of PT than a small simple deck of of fancy materials, I'm looking at the =
foundation. Frost line here is 48" and I need 18" footings. I have found =
3 options and I'm wondering if I missed anything:
>>=20
>> 1. Traditional concrete with forms and sonotubes
>> 2. Pre-cast footings (22", 100 lbs) and stackable piers (EZ-Tube)
>> 3. Helical piles=20
>>=20
>> I haven't heard back from the town on that last one and they're the =
priciest at $275 per. The pre-cast are $150 per. Concrete will require =
hauling about 45,000 bags into the backyard.=20
>>=20
>> I'm leaning towards #2 . I don't own any yard equipment but I can =
rent a skid steer with auger, though not a 24" auger I don't think.
>>=20
>> thanks,
>> jim
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
found a "loophole" in the code. If the deck is freestanding and under =
30" high, it doesn't need to be at the frost line. I found these =
anchored surface footings that might do quite well:<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://shop.titanbuildingproducts.com/deck-foot.php"; =
class=3D"">https://shop.titanbuildingproducts.com/deck-foot.php</a></div><=
div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The only issue is =
that the new deck with be 4 steps down from the one anchored to the =
house, so the connection between the two needs to be fluid, which means =
one end of the stairs needs to float. I'm trying to come up with a =
design where the risers adjust as the lower deck rises and falls with =
frost, and the riser heights stay equidistant from each other, but I'm =
not getting there. Maybe I build a ramp instead...</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr =
22, 2020, at 12:13 AM, Brian Kemp <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bk13@earthlink.net"; class=3D"">bk13@earthlink.net</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Try a search for "concrete trailer" or call some local =
concrete companies. If you can drive a pickup or SUV near the =
footings, one of these might be the way to go. An explanation is =
at<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"https://www.sepulveda.com/product_families/concrete_to_go/concrete=
_to_go.php" =
class=3D"">https://www.sepulveda.com/product_families/concrete_to_go/concr=
ete_to_go.php</a><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D"">Brian<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: =
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normal; text-decoration: none; font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">From: Jim =
Franklin via Shop-talk<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><shop-talk@autox.team.net =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent: Apr 16, 2020 7:44 PM<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">To: PJ =
McGarvey<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Cc: Shop-talk<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><shop-talk@autox.team.net =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers =
for decks<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Yep, 18" is spot on per the beam and joist =
spacing, but the pre-cast footer only comes in 22". <div class=3D"" =
style=3D"margin: 0px;"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" =
style=3D"margin: 0px;">Getting the concrete to the location will be =
difficult. The house is up a 100' inclined driveway that won't support a =
full sized truck, and the then another 100' around back to the site. =
Even a pumper would need a lot of hose. Are there smaller/lighter =
site-mix trucks now? I suppose they could pump it to the top of the =
driveway and wheelbarrow it around back...<br class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
class=3D""><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;">On Apr 16, 2020, at =
10:15 PM, PJ McGarvey <<a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com"; =
class=3D"">pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: =
0px;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">I doubt you'll need =
more than 18" diameter footings for a deck. </div><div class=3D"" =
style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: =
0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">In =
any case, I would pay a bit more for concrete delivery. I did this in =
November for a 16'x16' screened porch I'm almost finished with. For that =
diameter and depth, that's alot of concrete to mix correctly. In an hour =
you can have it delivered, poured, and save alot of =
hassle. </div><div id=3D"appendonsend" class=3D"" style=3D"margin: =
0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; =
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11pt;"><b class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Shop-talk <<a =
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of Pat =
Horne via Shop-talk <<a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, April 16, 2020 =
7:14 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jim Franklin <<a =
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jamesf@groupwbench.org"; =
class=3D"">jamesf@groupwbench.org</a>><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Shop-talk <<a =
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Shop-talk] Footings =
and piers for decks</font><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: =
0px;"> </div></div><div class=3D"BodyFragment" style=3D"margin: =
0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><font class=3D"" =
size=3D"2"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;"><div =
class=3D"PlainText" style=3D"margin: 0px;">24=E2=80=9D diameter hole is =
pretty large. I had 24=E2=80=9D piers drilled by a company. They brought =
a large drill truck. I had 3 piers drilled 25=E2=80=99 deep, including =
bell bottoms. Cost was $800. Only reason I brought this up is it might =
not be that much over the cost of the skid steer to have someone else =
drill them.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Peace,<br class=3D"">Pat<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Pat Horne<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br=
class=3D"">We support Habitat for Humanity<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">> On Apr 16, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Jim Franklin =
via Shop-talk <<a target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br class=3D"">><span=
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">=EF=BB=BFHaving decided it's better to build a nice ornate =
deck out of PT than a small simple deck of of fancy materials, I'm =
looking at the foundation. Frost line here is 48" and I need 18" =
footings. I have found 3 options and I'm wondering if I missed =
anything:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">1. Traditional concrete with =
forms and sonotubes<br class=3D"">2. Pre-cast footings (22", 100 =
lbs) and stackable piers (EZ-Tube)<br class=3D"">3. Helical =
piles<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><br=
class=3D"">I haven't heard back from the town on that last one and =
they're the priciest at $275 per. The pre-cast are $150 per. Concrete =
will require hauling about 45,000 bags into the backyard.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">I'm leaning towards #2 . I don't own any yard equipment but I =
can rent a skid steer with auger, though not a 24" auger I don't =
think.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">thanks,<br class=3D"">jim<br =
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