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Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers for decks

To: Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers for decks
From: Brian Kemp via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 21:13:39 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-size: 13px;color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family: ari=
al, sans-serif;">Try a search for "concrete trailer" or call some local con=
crete companies.&nbsp; If you can drive a pickup or SUV near the footings, =
one of these might be the way to go.&nbsp; An explanation is at https://www=
.sepulveda.com/product_families/concrete_to_go/concrete_to_go.php <br><div>=
<br></div><div>Brian<br></div><blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margi=
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e: normal; text-decoration: none; font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-=
serif; color: black;">-----Original Message-----
<br>From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
<br>Sent: Apr 16, 2020 7:44 PM
<br>To: PJ McGarvey <pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com>
<br>Cc: Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
<br>Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers for decks

<br><br><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Du=
tf-8">Yep, 18" is spot on per the beam and joist spacing, but the pre-cast =
footer only comes in 22".&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div cl=
ass=3D"">Getting the concrete to the location will be difficult. The house =
is up a 100' inclined driveway that won't support a full sized truck, and t=
he then another 100' around back to the site. Even a pumper would need a lo=
t of hose. Are there smaller/lighter site-mix trucks now? I suppose they co=
uld pump it to the top of the driveway and wheelbarrow it around back...<br=
 class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div c=
lass=3D"">On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:15 PM, PJ McGarvey &lt;<a target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com"; class=3D"">pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.co=
m</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D=
""><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-varian=
t-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: st=
art; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spac=
ing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-famil=
y: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">I doubt you=
'll need more than 18" diameter footings for a deck.&nbsp;</div><div style=
=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: norma=
l; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-ind=
ent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -we=
bkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, H=
elvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><di=
v style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps=
: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; t=
ext-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0=
px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Cal=
ibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">In any case, I wo=
uld pay a bit more for concrete delivery. I did this in November for a 16'x=
16' screened porch I'm almost finished with. For that diameter and depth, t=
hat's alot of concrete to mix correctly. In an hour you can have it deliver=
ed, poured, and save alot of hassle.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"appendonsend" st=
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<b class=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>S=
hop-talk &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.te=
am.net" class=3D"">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; on behalf of Pa=
t Horne via Shop-talk &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@aut=
ox.team.net" class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b c=
lass=3D"">Sent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thurs=
day, April 16, 2020 7:14 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span class=
=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Jim Franklin &lt;<a target=3D"_blan=
k" href=3D"mailto:jamesf@groupwbench.org"; class=3D"">jamesf@groupwbench.org=
</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-=
space">&nbsp;</span>Shop-talk &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:shop-=
talk@autox.team.net" class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br class=
=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp=
;</span>Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers for decks</font><div class=3D"">=
&nbsp;</div></div><div class=3D"BodyFragment" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-va=
riant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align=
: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-=
spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><font=
 class=3D"" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;" class=3D""><div cla=
ss=3D"PlainText">24=E2=80=9D diameter hole is pretty large. I had 24=E2=80=
=9D piers drilled by a company. They brought a large drill truck. I had 3 p=
iers drilled 25=E2=80=99 deep, including bell bottoms. Cost was $800. Only =
reason I brought this up is it might not be that much over the cost of the =
skid steer to have someone else drill them.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-s=
pace">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Peace,<br class=3D"">Pat<b=
r class=3D""><br class=3D"">Pat Horne<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=
&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">We support Habitat for Humanity<br class=3D""><=
br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&gt; On Apr 16, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Jim Franklin=
 via Shop-talk &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team=
.net" class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">&gt;=
<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br class=
=3D"">=EF=BB=BFHaving decided it's better to build a nice ornate deck out o=
f PT than a small simple deck of of fancy materials, I'm looking at the fou=
ndation. Frost line here is 48" and I need 18" footings. I have found 3 opt=
ions and I'm wondering if I missed anything:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">1=
. Traditional concrete with forms and sonotubes<br class=3D"">2. Pre-cast f=
ootings (22", 100 lbs)&nbsp; and stackable piers (EZ-Tube)<br class=3D"">3.=
 Helical piles<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=
=3D""><br class=3D"">I haven't heard back from the town on that last one an=
d they're the priciest at $275 per. The pre-cast are $150 per. Concrete wil=
l require hauling about 45,000 bags into the backyard.<span class=3D"Apple-=
converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I'm leaning tow=
ards #2 . I don't own any yard equipment but I can rent a skid steer with a=
uger, though not a 24" auger I don't think.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">th=
anks,<br class=3D"">jim<br class=3D"">_____________________________________=
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