Thank you Rob. Good information.
Michael
64 TR4
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Jackson" <apexbrit2@gmail.com>
To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Clutch Problems
> Make sure you have correct freeplay. Chattering may be oil on the driven
> disc; usually called judder. Groaning must emminate from moving parts:
> operating shaft, fork, release bearing, pressure plate. (I have seen the
> tapered pin wear and/or loosen, allowing the fork to turn on the shaft. )
>
> I would (1) check the freeplay,(2) bleed the system and ensure there is
> no
> bubbling in your bleed jar, if that's what you use. (I have sometimes had
> to
> use a pressure system.) (3) test - Have someone release the clutch (engine
> off) and watch the pushrod for movement. Put the car in gear, release the
> clutch and have someone rock the car by hand. it should roll if the clutch
> is disengaging.
>
> If all that is correct, you still have the chattter and groaning, which
> may
> entail pulling the tran for an inspection. And replacing the rear seal.
>
> Hope this helps a bit. I'll be out of town through this Sunday. Let us
> know
> how it goes
>
> Rob
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Mike Gianandrea <mvg1@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Robin and Mitch,
>>
>> I have owned this car since 1975, daily driver until 1982, situations
>> change, lost my job and the rear seal, and the car sat until the engine
>> was
>> rebuilt in 1987. I put a new clutch in with the rebuild, drove the car
>> very
>> little until 1995, sold her, and got her back in 1997, and still has very
>> few miles on the motor and clutch. She sat in my garage until last month
>> when I brought her back to life, and after 12 years of sitting, all of
>> the
>> hydraulics went south. I replaced the brake, MC, rear cylinders and axel
>> seals immediately, and then the clutch hydraulics last week, but the
>> slave
>> was put in upside down with the bleed nipple down, and very little time
>> to
>> bleed it before we put the MC in last Friday. So I need to reposition
>> and
>> bleed the slave this week, BUT the old slave was in upside down as well,
>> and
>> I did not have this new problem. It could be the clutch plate, oil on it
>> maybe, I am hoping the problem goes away after repositioning and bleeding
>> the slave. I do have a pretty good oil leak at the rear seal, and the
>> rear
>> end of the tranny, I hope I don't have oil on the clutch plate. But this
>> groaning chatter only appeared when we put the new clutch MC in, and now
>> she
>> chatters and groans, and kind of slides into gear when I shift. After 34
>> years with this car, this is a new one on me. I think the consensous
>> will
>> be oil on the clutch plate. Any ideas? All suggestions will be greatly
>> appreciated. I can't tell you how much fun it is to drive my baby once
>> again after all these years, it will be more fun when I've gotten rid of
>> all
>> the bugaboos and noises.
>>
>> Michael
>> 64 TR4
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Jackson" <apexbrit2@gmail.com>
>> To: "North Bay British Car Club" <nobbc@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nobbc] Clutch Problems
>>
>>
>> Michael - I have a couple of questions to help clarify, in my mind,
>> your
>>> description of the problem. First, why was it necessary to change out
>>> the
>>> M/C and slave? Were the seals bad, did you have a problem shifting, were
>>> you
>>> losing fluid? Is the "chattering" just something you hear (like the
>>> groaning) or do you feel it when you release the clutch? Did it help to
>>> rebleed the system?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Mike Gianandrea <mvg1@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> Last week I put new master and slave cylinders in my TR 4. The clutch
>>>> works
>>>> great, but when I shift, the clutch petal chatters and groans under
>>>> foot.
>>>> We
>>>> are bleeding the line again this morning, but this is something I have
>>>> not
>>>> seen before. Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>> 64 TR4
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