Gotta love the opportunity to be Part of the decision making Process... and
as for Me... well the 81 year break is a Good thing... it's hard to compete
aerodynamically against the 82 Camaro....
I like the Idea of being able to run the ignition system and EFI of my
choice ...so I will vote that way...
Dan Thanks for the time and effort on this... I know it's Painful to Sort
out the particulars of a new class...
Hey Dave.... Your running a 80 Camaro with me... so I am thinking you have a
Vote here.... and the For or against is like anything it's a Vote....
Now for the Pacer.... you absolutely have to upgrade the audio system to a
Full 8 track with at Least Two Speakers... and as for the cup holder....
it's got to be Left of the Ash Tray.... tough decision but the Bud Light is
a tick more important then the Butt....
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: "dahlgren" <dahlgren@uconect.net>
To: "Dan Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>
Cc: <Land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: New Category
> How did 82 get picked as a date it seems to have nothing to do with the
> relative technology changes a 1977 Camero is a much more challeged car
> that an 1982 and certainly a 55 chevy or ford has nothing in common
> technically with an 82 camero.. was this picked as it fits a few cars
> that happen to be an 82 car that does not want to race against an 89
> car?? tell me we are not changing rules and making class breaks to help
> a couple of cars be competitive again..
> Dahlgren
>
> Dan Warner wrote:
> >
> > Taken tongue in cheek. As is our practice the choice of using stock
heads,
> > cams, etc. is optional. If your pre '82 has EFI and other associated
"high"
> > tech parts you will allowed to pay your money and run with the the other
> > dogs in the current Modified category.
> >
> > Dan Warner
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: dahlgren <dahlgren@uconect.net>
> > To: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 6:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: New Category
> >
> > > If this makes any sense at all and maybe it does i would think that
cars
> > > that came stock with EFI and all the related controls ought to be able
> > > to run them.. With the apparent great love of retro tech would it be
> > > more sensible to either make the year break earlier or to allow
whatever
> > > technology that was stock on the car to reamin although not
necessarily
> > > the stock part. lets not get into NHRA type stuff where you can only
run
> > > a certain carb and by the same token if you can run any carb can't you
> > > run any kind of EFI.. I would not want to have a 1980 factory hot rod
> > > and then have to strip all the standard fuel and ignition stuff out to
> > > race it nor would i want to have to police whether it is stock or
not...
> > > .maybe 1969 or so is a better choice of years in the first place.
> > > Typically this is before electronics were common in the first place.
> > > along these lines where does my AMC Pacer fit?? I have the one with
> > > the optional Willys twin turbo F-head engine and two carter YF carbs??
I
> > > am running the standard save-a-spares all the way around to help with
> > > the gearing...can i remove the 8-track and cup holders to save weight
> > > although for such a long race the music would be nice to have too and
> > > you can get pretty thirsty at times too so a tough trade off..
> > > Dahlgren
> > > Dan Warner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Here it is!
> > > >
> > > > Included in this email is the proposal for the new CATEGORY which
will
> > break
> > > > the current Modified Category classes by year. This proposal will
create
> > a
> > > > new category between the existing Vintage and Modified Categories.
The
> > body
> > > > year break will be 1949 to 1981 inclusive.
> > > >
> > > > Note that the engine breaks are restrictive as the new category will
> > deal
> > > > with AMERICAN coupe and sedan bodies only. There will be no
Competition
> > > > Coupe classes. The reasoning is that competition coupe rules are
very
> > > > liberal and the choice of body is a personal issue. All other rules
in
> > the
> > > > category will be the same as the current Modified category as far as
> > aero,
> > > > engine swaps, transmission, etc.
> > > >
> > > > You have the opportunity to cast a vote as to the degree of
mechanical
> > > > sophistication in this new category. The name of the category is not
yet
> > > > decided. You also have the chance to name this category through a
> > contest
> > > > administered by Jon Amo on his web site www.landracing.com.
> > > > When choosing your name for the category please be aware that our
class
> > > > naming convention is laborious at best. An example would be:
XXO/BACFAlt
> > (AC
> > > > = American Classic). Lets not make the class name longer than the
> > vehicle.
> > > >
> > > > Please distribute the proposal to your buddies who may not be
internet
> > > > savvy. This is an unprecedented opportunity to take part in the
process.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > >
> > > > Dan Warner
> > > >
> > > > Southern California Timing Association 2001 Rule Book Proposal
> > > >
> > > > The following sections are recommended rules changes to add the
> > "Nostalgia
> > > > Category" into the new 2001Rule Book.
> > > >
> > > > Purpose:
> > > > To split the Coupe/Sedan car classes using newer aerodynamic cars
(1982
> > to
> > > > present) from the older less aerodynamic cars (1949 through 1981).
This
> > > > change
> > > > will make the older cars more competitive and still allow the newer
cars
> > to
> > > > compete amongst themselves. All old records will be re-established
and
> > > > those records set by newer cars will stay with them in the current
> > Modified
> > > > Category classes. Here is an example; John Rain's car (1989 Indy 500
> > > > Pontiac) record of 274.5 MPH for D/PS will stay with him in the
current
> > > > Production Category class, but in the newly established Nostalgia
> > Category,
> > > > Ron Hall's car (1963 Avanti) old record of 195.6 MPH will be
re-entered
> > into
> > > > the record book for D/NPS class. This way no one looses a record and
the
> > old
> > > > records are reinstated. Carefully read the two options in the
Nostalgia
> > > > Category and vote your
> > > > opinion on the spaces provided. The two options are; Option 1A or
1B on
> > one
> > > > subject and Option 2A or 2B on the other subject, you must vote for
one
> > of
> > > > the two choices for each option. Also, vote for or against the
proposal
> > of
> > > > adding the new Nostalgia Category to the 2001 Rule Book.
> > > > The goal is to have every race car owner in the Coupe or Sedan class
> > vote on
> > > > these changes. The race car owners voting can be those who race at
> > > > Bonneville, the Dry Lakes, Maxon or all venues. Each race car owner
> > > > will have one vote on the outcome of this consideration of rule
changes.
> > > > Its important that all owners vote and mail their results to Bob
Sykes
> > Jr.
> > > > by no later than November 1, 2000. At that cutoff date, the ballots
> > will be
> > > > tallied and the results will impact on what changes go into the
> > Southern
> > > > California Timing Associatation Rule Book for the year 2001. So
please
> > > > don't sit on this, study the changes then vote and mail your results
> > ASAP!!
> > > >
> > > > NOSTALGIA CATEGORY
> > > > The Nostalgia Car category will consists of American coupe or sedan
> > cars
> > > > from 1949 through and including 1981.
> > > > Note: the "N" has been added to the following categories to
indicate
> > the
> > > > Nostalgia Car Class.
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > NOSTALGIA FUEL ALTERED COUPE - /NBFALT, /NFALT
> > > > NOSTALGIA GAS ALTERED COUPE - /NBGALT, /NGALT
> > > >
> > > > Engine classes allowed are:
> > > > AA, A, B, C, D, E, F, XF, XO, XXF, XXO, and V4.
> > > >
> > > > NOSTALGIA GAS COUPE and SEDAN - /NBGC, /NGC
> > > >
> > > > Engine classes allowed are:
> > > > AA, A, B, C, D, E, F, XF, XO, XXF, XXO, and V4
> > > >
> > > > NOSTALGIA PRODUCTION COUPE and SEDAN - /NPRO
> > > >
> > > > Engine classes allowed are:
> > > > AA, A, B, C, D, E, F, XF, XO, and V4.
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > > NOSTALGIA SUPERCHARGED PRODUCTION COUPE and SEDAN - /NPS
> > > >
> > > > Engine classes allowed are:
> > > > AA, A, B, C, D, E, F, XF, XO.
> > > >
> > > > NOSTALGIA CATEGORY
> > > >
> > > > (Option #1A, EFI is allowed)
> > > > (Option #1B, EFI is not allowed)
> > > >
> > > > (Option #2A, computer controlled ignition timing is allowed)
> > > > (Option #2B, computer controlled ignition timing is not allowed).
> > > >
> > > > VOTING FORM FOR COUPE/SEDAN CAR OWNERS
> > > >
> > > > OWNER'S NAME: print name ___________________________________
> > > >
> > > > OWNER'S SIGNATURE: ___________________________________
> > > >
> > > > DATE VOTED: ___________________________________
> > > >
> > > > HOME ADDRESS: ___________________________________
> > > >
> > > >
___________________________________
> > > >
> > > > PHONE NUMBER ___________________________________
> > > >
> > > > CAR'S CLASS & ENTRY #: ___________________________________
> > > >
> > > > LAST RACE ENTERED: ___________________________________
> > > >
> > > > ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THE NOSTALGIA CATEGORY?
> > > >
> > > > YES _____
> > > >
> > > > NO _____
> > > >
> > > > VOTE FOR ONE ON OPTION #1
> > > > OPTION
1A
> > ____
> > > > (YES, EFI)
> > > >
(Electronic
> > Fuel
> > > > Injection) or
> > > > OPTION
1B
> > ____
> > > > (NO, EFI)
> > > >
> > > > VOTE FOR ONE ON OPTION #2
> > > > OPTION
2A
> > ____
> > > > (YES,CMPTR )
> > > >
(Computer
> > > > ignition timing) or
> > > > OPTION
2B
> > ____
> > > > (NO, CMPTR)
> > > >
> > > > "AFTER YOU'VE VOTED SEND THIS LAST PAGE TO:"
> > > > Bob Sykes Jr. (Coupes & Sedan Committee Chairman)
> > > > 6815 Scott Circle,
> > > > Cypress, California 90630 Any questions, call Bob at home (714)
> > 527-6907
> > > >
> > > > email: Dan Warner - dwarner@electrorent.com Bobby Sykes Jr.
> > > > drylakes207@yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > Please vote by November 1, 2000 so the Southern California Timing
> > > > Association can make a count of the votes.
> > >
>
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